That Hebrews 10v26 Thread

[Noose]

i knew it. you ducked the question. i asked if you are 100% of time keeping God's commandments yes or no.
you said you are 100% repentant well so am i.

lets try again yes or no?

And what are God's commandments apart from loving one another. Jesus said they are not burdensome.
How hard is it for you to love others?

 

[Noose]

Back to square one since you have gotten me off track.

So I am not interested in your three questions/premises ... use scripture and prove you premise using proper hermeneutics.

I can not use scripture to ask a question, you are the one to use scripture to answer a question and that's proper hermeneutics.

Once again, what must a man do to inherit the kingdom of God? Does whatever you are going to tell me apply to one year old infant?

 

[EleventhHour]

I can not use scripture to ask a question, you are the one to use scripture to answer a question and that's proper hermeneutics.

Once again, what must a man do to inherit the kingdom of God? Does whatever you are going to tell me apply to one year old infant?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

In case anybody hasn't realised it yet there is one common theme throughout the entire Bible. And that is SIN.

God calls a people to worship Him in Spirit and TRUTH. And this is not possible with sin separating man from God.
We are in need of. A Saviour, who not only paid the penalty for our past sins, but SAVES us from our sinning. For this reason He was manifested to DESTROY the works of the devil.

It is good to keep the following in mind (placing this especially for the readers of this thread):

• Romans 1 through 5:11 covers the subject of "sinS" [sins we commit, etc];
  
  
  
  
• whereas Romans 5:12 through end of chpt 8 covers the subject of "Sin" [exactly 40x btw 5:12 and 8:3, if I recall]

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As to the OP Subject (Heb10:26), I'll just leave this here:

Link to article (found at this Post I made on Saturday) from Bible Truth Publishers (on this Subject):

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4130407


A few follow-up comments (clarification):

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4130450
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4130463
https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4130569


Commentary by Gaebelein (found at this Post):

https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4130422

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It is good to keep the following in mind (placing this especially for the readers of this thread):

• Romans 1 through 5:11 covers the subject of "sinS" [sins we commit, etc];
  
  
  
  
• whereas Romans 5:12 through end of chpt 8 covers the subject of "Sin" [exactly 40x btw 5:12 and 8:3, if I recall]

Just a P.S. to this part ^ …

"sinS" can be forgiven;

"Sin" is NEVER "forgiven"; only "condemned"

 

[Chris1975]

@Chris1975 what do you say about this: i believe you can turn to other gods and come back. because israel turned to other gods in o.t. all the time and God said come back and i receive you. its same now. i know people who were christians they became muslims and odinists and then came back to Christ have been for years now

This is a massive topic to cover.

You sure rely on yourself a lot for salvation.... one would think you do not need a Saviour...hmmm

Makes sense since you have to atone for your own sins and any future sins.

Good luck with that.

1. When God tells you to repent, does he repent for you, or do you do it? If He does it then why bother telling you at all?
2. Secondly, look at this verse: 1 Corinthians 11v31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

I am not posting this for EH, but for those reading this.

 

[Chris1975]

If Jesus did not die for all sins, past, present and future ... no amount of repentance is going to save us.

That's why you are free to do as you wish without repercussion in your doctrine. Which will not hold up in the day of Judgement. You were warned.

 

[EleventhHour]

That's why you are free to do as you wish without repercussion in your doctrine. Which will not hold up in the day of Judgement. You were warned.

I have yet to see who once exegete scripture... so no I have not be warned.

And you have yet to rightly understand the word "repent" its meaning in its original language.

 

[Chris1975]

i knew it. you ducked the question. i asked if you are 100% of time keeping God's commandments yes or no.
you said you are 100% repentant well so am i.

lets try again yes or no?

Nobody is able to keep 100% of the time according to John, and according to practice. We have an Advocate for when we fall, Jesus Christ. Yet you seem to think it a trivial matter, this business of transgression. Well, let me tell you it is deadly serious. The Word who became flesh (Jesus Christ) had to DIE to pay this penalty you seem to think so trivially about.

•Quote from William Wilberforce: “When we fix our gaze on Jesus, we see in the most vivid colours how hateful sin is to the perfect holiness of God. It takes unthinkable vanity to believe that God will not treat unrepentant sin harshly when we see what it cost him to provide forgiveness.”

 

[Chris1975]

I have yet to see who once exegete scripture... so no I have not be warned.

And you have yet to rightly understand the word "repent" its meaning in its original language.

Ma'am I would be highly surprised if you have even read the bible cover to cover. Because if you had, then you would know that the God of the bible is not as you describe Him on these forums.

 

[EleventhHour]

Ma'am I would be highly surprised if you have even read the bible cover to cover. Because if you had, then you would know that the God of the bible is not as you describe Him on these forums.

I will credit you with a stellar ability to deflect and not really respond.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

2. Secondly, look at this verse: 1 Corinthians 11v31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

I am not posting this for EH, but for those reading this.

… and the very next verse tells us what that is:

"But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined [G3811 - paideuometha ('we are disciplined')] so that we will not be condemned with the world." v.32

 

[Chris1975]

… and the very next verse tells us what that is:

"But when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined [G3811 - paideuometha ('we are disciplined')] so that we will not be condemned with the world." v.32

And this ^^^^ is seen in context of the below:

Hebrews 12
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
>bottom line is: no getting around repentance.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And this ^^^^ is seen in context of the below:

Hebrews 12
8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.
>bottom line is: no getting around repentance.

But the "chastening" (by the Lord) that v.32 speaks of, also includes [/involves] what vv.29-30 spoke of (even v.30c--which part you do not seem to acknowledge applies equally [with regard to] the believer/saint [i.e. one who we'll meet "in Heaven" some day], "disciplined" as the Lord sees fit)

 

[garee]

These adversaries were at one point sanctified. Therefore it cannot be your interpretation.

You must mean the ones tasted and shared? Those that crucify Christ over and over exposing Him to public shame as if one work of His faith fell short of the glory of God as a our confidence of Him. Who according to Philpian1:6 began the good work of His faith and finishes it.

Philippians 2 :13-14 informs those who might feel cheated when looking how grace works in others . He say to beleive without murmuring and doing despite to His grace

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputingshilipian 2 :13-14

Better things accompany salvation than crucifying Christ over and over

But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. Hebrews 6: 9-10

 

[Melach]

Nobody is able to keep 100% of the time according to John, and according to practice. We have an Advocate for when we fall, Jesus Christ. Yet you seem to think it a trivial matter, this business of transgression. Well, let me tell you it is deadly serious. The Word who became flesh (Jesus Christ) had to DIE to pay this penalty you seem to think so trivially about.

•Quote from William Wilberforce: “When we fix our gaze on Jesus, we see in the most vivid colours how hateful sin is to the perfect holiness of God. It takes unthinkable vanity to believe that God will not treat unrepentant sin harshly when we see what it cost him to provide forgiveness.”

well thanks for that.

lets get to the massive topic quickly what do you believe about it? :

i believe you can turn to other gods and come back. because israel turned to other gods in o.t. all the time and God said come back and i receive you. its same now. i know people who were christians they became muslims and odinists and then came back to Christ have been for years now

 

[Chris1975]

well thanks for that.

lets get to the massive topic quickly what do you believe about it? :

i believe you can turn to other gods and come back. because israel turned to other gods in o.t. all the time and God said come back and i receive you. its same now. i know people who were christians they became muslims and odinists and then came back to Christ have been for years now

I will compile something to explore this more deeply re Israel Vs Church because I do believe there are some differences ala the fact that the HS dwells in the believer in the New Covenant versus not in the old. Therein the greater gravity under the new.

 

[EleventhHour]

I will compile something to explore this more deeply re Israel Vs Church because I do believe there are some differences ala the fact that the HS dwells in the believer in the New Covenant versus not in the old. Therein the greater gravity under the new.

Holy Spirit did not dwell in the old.. maybe you have not read the book yet.

11 Cast me not away from Your presence; take not Your Holy Spirit from me.
Psalm 51:11

 

[Chris1975]

Holy Spirit did not dwell in the old.. maybe you have not read the book yet.

11 Cast me not away from Your presence; take not Your Holy Spirit from me.
Psalm 51:11

The disciples were told to wait for the gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus' ascension. It is in this context. Please use a bit of common sense.

 

[EleventhHour]

The disciples were told to wait for the gift of the Holy Spirit after Jesus' ascension. It is in this context. Please use a bit of common sense.

Again you have no response to the Old Testament reality.