Does I Corinthians 13 teach certain gifts ceased with the closing of the canon?
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Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
Psalm 116:
15Precious in the sight of the Lord
is the death of his faithful servants.
Rev 14:
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
Praise the true Jesus for the above.
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
Psalm 116:
15Precious in the sight of the Lord
is the death of his faithful servants.
Rev 14:
13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
Praise the true Jesus for the above.
The Bible says we have gifts differing according to the grace given unto us, and gifts include teaching, leading, and giving.
Would you have us believe that Christians do all these things now in their own strength without the grace of God working in them? What is your basis for this belief? This is not what the apostles taught.
Would you have us believe that Christians do all these things now in their own strength without the grace of God working in them? What is your basis for this belief? This is not what the apostles taught.
The Bible says we have gifts differing according to the grace given unto us, and gifts include teaching, leading, and giving.
Would you have us believe that Christians do all these things now in their own strength without the grace of God working in them? What is your basis for this belief? This is not what the apostles taught.
Would you have us believe that Christians do all these things now in their own strength without the grace of God working in them? What is your basis for this belief? This is not what the apostles taught.
Teaching/leading/giving were there before Christ and the church even in the OT. The gifts of the Holy spirit were specifically given to the Apostles and their appointees to help them establish the church in 1st century after which they ceased.
Their specific purpose was to aid in preaching the gospel; "and after this gospel is preached to all the nations, the end will come.."
The life of the apostles is testament to the fact that the gifts ceased. During their time, no prison cell could hold them, they broke out of chains miraculously but as soon as they finished their mandate, they faced a brutal death, each one of them just as they were promised.
Heb 2: 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
God is not still testifying to the gospel today, the canon took over what the Apostles were doing. If we want to get the gospel, we go to the canon.
Their specific purpose was to aid in preaching the gospel; "and after this gospel is preached to all the nations, the end will come.."
The life of the apostles is testament to the fact that the gifts ceased. During their time, no prison cell could hold them, they broke out of chains miraculously but as soon as they finished their mandate, they faced a brutal death, each one of them just as they were promised.
Heb 2: 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
God is not still testifying to the gospel today, the canon took over what the Apostles were doing. If we want to get the gospel, we go to the canon.
IMO, even teaching/preaching/ evangelism ceased based on God's plan. All these were taken over by the canon and i believe this below is God's plan:
Jer 31:
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
The apostles were only ushering in this new covenant but we are in this new covenant. After the apostles, no one can claim they have been appointed by God because God's appointments were physical and unmistakable.
Jer 31:
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
The apostles were only ushering in this new covenant but we are in this new covenant. After the apostles, no one can claim they have been appointed by God because God's appointments were physical and unmistakable.
There is also a possibility of attributing the power satan to God with all these claims, don't you think so?
The fear of judgement doesn't come from God but satan, the bible says (1 John 4). Fear also shows you do not know what you are talking about and it gives ".. rather be safe than sorry" attitude. This attitude will take you into the ditch.
One thing i know, there can never a genuine sign here and a fake sign there so that God's people can be confused, it is either one or the other but the most important thing, is to understand the times we are in.
2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
The delusion is strong.
The fear of judgement doesn't come from God but satan, the bible says (1 John 4). Fear also shows you do not know what you are talking about and it gives ".. rather be safe than sorry" attitude. This attitude will take you into the ditch.
One thing i know, there can never a genuine sign here and a fake sign there so that God's people can be confused, it is either one or the other but the most important thing, is to understand the times we are in.
2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. 11For this reason, God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.
The delusion is strong.
I am interested in hearing your testimony on this.
I have a friend who wanted so badly to see God do miracles, everything that could be a work of God was one.
Another brother testified he had a friend who claimed God has given him a gold tooth, when actually he knew
it came from the dentist, but got caught up in the moment.
So if you want to take a normal thing, having gold crowns on teeth, and God the Lord of miracles, will show His power
by giving people pointless gold crowns on good ordinary teeth, that is insane. I have 3 crowns, all dentist made and I would
literally be shocked if God wanted to defy normal nature of things to give me a gold tooth instead of my natural
healthy teeth. That would be killing a tooth. It all strikes me as total delusion, literally.
There are so many with serious illness and life threatening problems who need intervention, but the Lord abstains,
yet in this world, getting gold teeth, no problem.
Now I believe in the gifts, in miracles, in Gods blessing and intervention to help the needy, so I am not cynical about
the Lords moving, just the lies and falsehoods that many accept as truthful and honest.
I have a friend who wanted so badly to see God do miracles, everything that could be a work of God was one.
Another brother testified he had a friend who claimed God has given him a gold tooth, when actually he knew
it came from the dentist, but got caught up in the moment.
So if you want to take a normal thing, having gold crowns on teeth, and God the Lord of miracles, will show His power
by giving people pointless gold crowns on good ordinary teeth, that is insane. I have 3 crowns, all dentist made and I would
literally be shocked if God wanted to defy normal nature of things to give me a gold tooth instead of my natural
healthy teeth. That would be killing a tooth. It all strikes me as total delusion, literally.
There are so many with serious illness and life threatening problems who need intervention, but the Lord abstains,
yet in this world, getting gold teeth, no problem.
Now I believe in the gifts, in miracles, in Gods blessing and intervention to help the needy, so I am not cynical about
the Lords moving, just the lies and falsehoods that many accept as truthful and honest.
I would agree Christ's faith that works in us comes after the things not seen "the eternal" and not after that which is "the temporal".
No such thing as a sign gift. Like some with Jesus making him into a circus seal. .Do a miracle and when we see we will believe.
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Therefore making the prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18 )for rightly dividing the word of God without effect. By those worldly tradition of men.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
1 Corinthians 14:22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
The sign is for those who fall backward.The outward sign of unbelief that God has elected.
Why not rather fall forward on ones knee in worship?
No such thing as a sign gift. Like some with Jesus making him into a circus seal. .Do a miracle and when we see we will believe.
John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Therefore making the prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18 )for rightly dividing the word of God without effect. By those worldly tradition of men.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
1 Corinthians 14:22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
The sign is for those who fall backward.The outward sign of unbelief that God has elected.
Why not rather fall forward on ones knee in worship?
Jokes aside, did you really talk to Paul in a vision? How? what did he say?
I thought such things ceased.
I would think they have only ceased for those who like the Son of man, Jesus. He experienced three in Mathew 4 and obeyed the voice of the Father three times who put the words in his mouth . . it is written, and again as it is written . Strike three struck him out end of that season .
One source of Christian faith as it is written .It represents the unseen eternal.
Therefore Jesus not trusting his own fleshly mind and worshiping of fallen angels (messengers) as we are informed in Colossians 2:18.
Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels.They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. Colossians 2:18. (Easy to Read Version)
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,Colossians 2:18. King James
No
The men of God answering Jesus call to the upper room are long gone.
Hence your cessationist incubator. Teaching all who will be duped into a different Gospel.
"....and those that DENY THE POWER thereof. From such turn away"
Iow, just smile and begin to walk away.
Then when they say "we cant be around you"
Simply reply
THANK YOU JESUS!!!!
The men of God answering Jesus call to the upper room are long gone.
Hence your cessationist incubator. Teaching all who will be duped into a different Gospel.
"....and those that DENY THE POWER thereof. From such turn away"
Iow, just smile and begin to walk away.
Then when they say "we cant be around you"
Simply reply
THANK YOU JESUS!!!!
