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I've seen others in the past use Revelation 22:19 to attack OSAS.
I also once saw someone in favor of eternal security post this link - https://www.gotquestions.org/erased-book-life.html
Regardless of how they slice it and dice it....if salvation can be lost, no one is saved....EVEN DANIEL confessed sin and God said that IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO BE DELIVERED BY ONE'S OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, Daniel would be only 1 of 3 men listed.....hence....IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
 
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Imagine our politicians holding to that same level of integrity; I’d be singing Sam Cooke’s, What a Wonderful World (it would be) 😎
I actually like the Loius Armstrong version myself ..... reminds me of the movie Good Morning Vietnam
 
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Once Saved Always Saved is not scriptural. The apostle Paul warns Timothy about the dangers of making a shipwreck of his faith. (I Timothy 1:18-19)

Hebrews 3:12-14 Christians are warned about the dangers of departing from the living God.

Hebrews 12:25 warns about turning away from the one who speaks from heaven!

II Peter 3:17 warns us about the dangers of being led away with the error of the wicked.

Heb 10:38 tells us "if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Pro 14:14 The backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man will be filled with the fruit of his ways.

Jer 14:7 "our backslidings are many; we have sinned against you.

Hos 11:7 My people are bent on turning away from me, and though they call out to the Most High, he shall not raise them up at all.

Luk 9:62 Jesus said to him: No man putting his hand to the plough and looking back is fit for the kingdom of God.

Heb 10:38 but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him."

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

2Ti 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Heb 3:12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

2Pe 3:17 And so, dear friends, since you already know these things, continually be on your guard not to be carried away by the deception of lawless people. Otherwise, you may fall from your secure position.

Hebrews 6:4 “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

There are many more but these people are so not Bible based, that they shrug their shoulders, turn away, say it cannot happen and deny it all.
The verses you cherry picked for the most part.... are warnings not to fall into unbelief.... and for the most part,... are addressed to those receiving the Gospel for the first time.

They are not verses about losing salvation after receiving it.

Your display of poor exegesis does not prove the loss of salvation.

It also is no excuse for telling people they are not in the body of Christ, O unregenerate sinner.
The believer is secure...
God keeps them.

How can one such as yourself,.... ever teach about God,.... when you are ignorant of the very Scriptures that testify of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the eternal salvation granted to the believer through faith in Him?
 
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The verses you cherry picked for the most part.... are warnings not to fall into unbelief.... and for the most part,... are addressed to those receiving the Gospel for the first time.

They are not verses about losing salvation after receiving it.

Your display of poor exegesis does not prove the loss of salvation.

It also is no excuse for telling people they are not in the body of Christ, O unregenerate sinner.
The believer is secure...
God keeps them.

How can one such as yourself,.... ever teach about God,.... when you are ignorant of the very Scriptures that testify of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the eternal salvation granted to the believer through faith in Him?
You ask a most excellent question for sure!
 
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The verses you cherry picked for the most part.... are warnings not to fall into unbelief.... and for the most part,... are addressed to those receiving the Gospel for the first time.

They are not verses about losing salvation after receiving it.

Your display of poor exegesis does not prove the loss of salvation.

It also is no excuse for telling people they are not in the body of Christ, O unregenerate sinner.
The believer is secure...
God keeps them.

How can one such as yourself,.... ever teach about God,.... when you are ignorant of the very Scriptures that testify of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the eternal salvation granted to the believer through faith in Him?
It is called a Play Station for a reason.....
 

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The verses you cherry picked for the most part.... are warnings not to fall into unbelief.... and for the most part,... are addressed to those receiving the Gospel for the first time.

They are not verses about losing salvation after receiving it.

Your display of poor exegesis does not prove the loss of salvation.

It also is no excuse for telling people they are not in the body of Christ, O unregenerate sinner.
The believer is secure...
God keeps them.

How can one such as yourself,.... ever teach about God,.... when you are ignorant of the very Scriptures that testify of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the eternal salvation granted to the believer through faith in Him?
Nobody is ignorant of scriptures relating to our heavenly home with the saviour. The Bible abounds with the message of eternal salvation for the faithful children of God. All I am saying is that we need to be aware of the pitfalls that might beset us as we travel along the heavenly pathway. I cannot imagine for one minute the Good Lord leaving us in ignorance of such perils. He takes care of that as well, so let us be thankful for His mercies toward us.
 
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Ummmmm John said we can know because we have believed!
1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

that you may continue to believe.

John is saying the basis of our continued faith is KNOWING we have eternal life. Our identity is our power.
 
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Yeah...why I said ALMOST reminds me of Petey hahah decided to stay in AU until Feb 16....hows the northern hemisphere hahha
Here in Ohio been mild, but wet. Looks like we are gonna hit a cold spell now. Our second multi day sub freezing period.. it’s been in the 50’s most of the winter here. Odd
 

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1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

that you may continue to believe.

John is saying the basis of our continued faith is KNOWING we have eternal life. Our identity is our power.
"Continued faith" being the key. This is what I have been saying.

Not backsliding.
 
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"Continued faith" being the key. This is what I have been saying.
What is the basis of that continued faith?

the knowledge that you HAVE eternal life.

Eternal security, OSAS, Eternal life, The eternal seal. Our guaranteed inheritance, Fully Justified, fully Atoned, fully redeemed, fully adopted children of God. The knowledge that we WILL (not might) get to heaven based solely on GOD"S work, in spite of our continued failings and failure to meet Gods standard (which NO ONE can do) is the basis of our faith.

Without security, we have no hope. with no hope. we can have no faith. (faith is the substance of things hoped for) The result? Our belief in Christ will die. and we will end up like those john said in chapter three left us, because they were never of us. Or our pride will will. And we will die self righteous pharisees thinking we are headed to heaven, only to have God tell us to depart from him, for he never knew us, when we start praising all our works.

there are three responses to the gospel.

licentiousness or easy believing. the first group who never really came to faith

Grace. A fully repentant humble person who became poor in spirit (spiritually bankrupt) and called out for Gods mercy

Legalistic/pharisee - a person who comes to God in faith, but tries to recieve or maintain Gods mercy by means of their works,.