Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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rily51jean

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2 Peter 2:3
Thirsting for riches, they will trade on you with their canting talk. From of old their judgement has been working itself out, and their destruction has not been slumbering.
Nah!!
"And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." 2 Peter 2:3
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rily51jean

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The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “Y ou shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing ,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”
1 Timothy 5:17‭-‬18 NASB



Never is it ok to punish those who do well because there are other who do not! Don't let your own flesh and jealousy cause you to stumble.
I'm sorry, but oxen don't thresh grain!!!
 
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Nah!!
"And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." 2 Peter 2:3
KJV
The truth...this verse is aimed at false teachers and not godly men called to pastor a church and paid a salary for doing it.....like I said....a vendetta in this thread! The OP that is!
 

Enxu

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Nice try.....and when I am wrong I have no problen saying I was wrong.....and the 5 things I said were correct ...
Sure, then let’s see whether you are able to admit you’re wrong when I prove you wrong.

a. You contradicted yourself with the OP and then saying you never said that
Lol, I am the OP and I know what I’m talking about. Prove to me how I’ve contradicted myself.
b. Your premise reeks of a vendetta against paid pastors
That’s your presumption, you have failed to prove it as true.

c. You disregard verses that prove you wrong
Quote me where I’ve disregarded verses. In fact, you’ve disregarded verses I’ve quoted from multiple apostles, especially about Jesus saying freely give as freely received.

d. You twist and embellish scripture to try and prove your stance
Again quote me how I’ve reinterpreted and twisted scriptures. A mere accusatory statement from you about me doesn’t make it true, no ones a fool.

e. You falsely accused me of loving money and being greedy
Prove your innocence then, what actions
from you show that you don’t love money and isn’t greedy?

I’ve apologised about any false accusations in advance, but you didn’t.

All 5 above are true, valid statements......
All the 5 statements are statements of biased presumptions. Just because you think they’re true doesn’t make them true or valid.

and the funny thing....you don't know me, know what I have done in my life when it comes to money and without even asking you say I love money and am greedy.....

Take your own medicine man
The funny thing is you don’t know me either or even what I’m truly saying in this thread. Yet you accuse me with statements that you assert is true. Take your own medicine man.
 
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Yep.....

Sure, then let’s see whether you are able to admit you’re wrong when I prove you wrong.



Lol, I am the OP and I know what I’m talking about. Prove to me how I’ve contradicted myself.

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church

That’s your presumption, you have failed to prove it as true.



Quote me where I’ve disregarded verses. In fact, you’ve disregarded verses I’ve quoted from multiple apostles, especially about Jesus saying freely give as freely received.

Proven bybthe whole thread


Again quote me how I’ve reinterpreted and twisted scriptures. A mere accusatory statement from you about me doesn’t make it true, no ones a fool.

PROVEN by while thread, especially the Peter quote



Prove your innocence then, what actions
from you show that you don’t love money and isn’t greedy?

I don't need to prove anything which is to boast before men

I’ve apologised about any false accusations in advance, but you didn’t.



All the 5 statements are statements of biased presumptions. Just because you think they’re true doesn’t make them true or valid.

Sure they are, your words and thread blares them loudly


The funny thing is you don’t know me either or even what I’m truly saying in this thread. Yet you accuse me with statements that you assert is true. Take your own medicine man.
Ditto
 

Enxu

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I'm sorry, but oxen don't thresh grain!!!
Don’t bother arguing with him. He presumed to know what I’m saying more than I myself and then accused me of things based on his biased presumptions.
 

Enxu

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Yep, you’ve just proven what I said too. It’s apparent that I must be saying everything you presume I’m saying. That’s your version of truth. LOL. And you are automatically innocent without proving it. LOL. Farewell, don’t bother replying to me because I’m not going to talk to self presumptuous hypocrites.
 
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Don’t bother arguing with him. He presumed to know what I’m saying more than I myself and then accused me of things based on his biased presumptions.
Deut 25 and 1st Corinthians 9

Read and then lead someone else astray by telling them that the bible does not teach that OXEN tread out and thresh grain...

You are turning out to be someone that leads people astray...not good!

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church
 
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Yep, you’ve just proven what I said too. It’s apparent that I must be saying everything you presume I’m saying. That’s your version of truth. LOL. Farewell.
you obvioulsy did not read the post
 
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The contradiction of this thread found in his own words...

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church
 

Enxu

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Pastors should be supported by the church, but NOT in the form of paid salaries. They are to be supported ONLY with basic necessities and any expenses incurred to travel around to preach the Gospel. Pastors shouldn’t be paid salaries and they shouldn’t ask for money because that’s against the Spirit of preaching demonstrated by Jesus and all of His apostles. Church believers would have supported pastors on their own without pastors ever asking because they love them. Pastors are to be content in their lifestyles and set good examples on contentment. Asking for money when the money is spend on excesses is against the Spirit of contentment. That’s what I’m saying and there’s no contradiction as some hypocrites presume.
 
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Pastors should be supported by the church, but not with paid salaries. They are to be supported just with basic necessities. Pastors shouldn’t be paid salaries and ask for money because that’s against the Spirit of preaching. That’s what I’m saying and there’s no contradiction.
And you are wrong.......there is no command that forbids a pastor from being paid a salary and the N.T. scriptures that were applicable to the Apostles CANNOT be applied to pastor teachers....and your statement is a direct contradiction.....

Why pastors and preachers should not be receiving salaries

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I never said pastors should not be supported by the church
 
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Churches can choose how to support a man.....there are no scriptures in context that forbids a church from paying a man a salary
 
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For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer is worthy of his wages.”

wages->>Misthos <- PAY, WAGES SALARY
 

Enxu

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Hypocrites ignore the fact that the apostolic style and spirit of preaching is passed down also to teachers since the time of Paul. The apostolic style and spirit of preaching is AGAINST asking for money during preaching sessions. Yet that is what pastors today do, they ask for money during preaching and it is this act of asking for money that allows them to receive their salaries. Timothy is a teacher of the Gospel, and Paul strictly warned him about the love of money and wanting to get rich. Asking for money is a primary way of getting rich for most false preachers and is an action that shows they love money.

If all pastors today stopped asking for money then that would be in line with the apostolic spirit of preaching. When this asking for money stops the salaries will also stop.
 
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Enxu

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The early church teachers who followed after the examples of Paul and the other apostles never asked for money to pay themselves salaries. If they received any support from believers it was because the believers gave on their own accords based on love. There was no asking on the part of those teachers, ever.

This is the true spirit of how preachers are to be supported, by asking for support preachers have already erred because it shows they don’t trust God to provide and they demand love from others. Through asking and asking non-stop rather than allowing believers to support them out of love they slowly and unwittingly go on the path of peddling God’s word for money.

Then the devil creeps in and use their dependence on salaries to rob them of their ministry. Because these pastors rely so much on the crowd to pay them they will over time water down the Gospel so that they don’t offend their sources of income. Yet apostle Paul said if he was still in the business of pleasing people he should NOT be a servant of God.
 

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Asking for money is a snare both to the pastors doing it and ultimately to the congregations that hear from them. This act makes the pastors slaves not to God, but to the ones paying them. So is it a surprise pastors are now trying to tailor suit the Gospel to the hearers in blatant disregard to the truth? The Gospel warned about how believers will heap to themselves teachers to tickle their itching ears, preaching to them what they want to hear rather than the plain truth taught by Jesus. And why do teachers teach what people want to hear? Because they receive salaries from the hearers. They are slaves to anyone who is willing to pay for their preaching and they allow themselves to be enslaved by asking for money.

So no truth is being preached and those who truly hunger for the Gospel is robbed of hearing the word of God. How can anyone who approve of such things be innocent?