Apostasy 101
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Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
The word is not just sanctified but sanctified by the blood of the covenant.
So according to you, a person can be sanctified by the blood of the covenant and still not be saved? What is the function of the blood of the covenant according to OSAS?
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There is no context there to show that 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 simply means being set apart like a bowl or a fork or an unbelieving family member is set apart as clean for use and contact by a believer. In fact, it can not be referring to that for the simple reason God never makes clean for contact by believers a willfully sinning person in the church. Never. The exact opposite is true of them. They are unclean.
And I showed you that the contradiction you say exists between verses 10, 14, and 29 in my doctrine only exists when you add your incorrect meaning of 'once for all' to the passage. It doesn't exist in my doctrine because I go by the definition of 'once for all' that the passage itself gives.
So, you have no argument here. 'Sanctified' is referring to the person who was sanctified in the matter of salvation by the blood of Christ. The chapter plainly says that.
And I showed you that the contradiction you say exists between verses 10, 14, and 29 in my doctrine only exists when you add your incorrect meaning of 'once for all' to the passage. It doesn't exist in my doctrine because I go by the definition of 'once for all' that the passage itself gives.
So, you have no argument here. 'Sanctified' is referring to the person who was sanctified in the matter of salvation by the blood of Christ. The chapter plainly says that.
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As I've shown you, you are actually defying the context of the chapter.
The context says, twice, that 'sanctified' means the saved person.
The context defines what 'once for all' means, and it isn't what you say it means.
Now give us chapter and verse that says this kind of person is sanctified by God (like an unbelieving spouse is).
Here's chapter and verse that says he is not:
14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial b ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” c
17Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” d
2 Corinthians 6:14-17
6Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:6-13
The context says, twice, that 'sanctified' means the saved person.
The context defines what 'once for all' means, and it isn't what you say it means.
Now give us chapter and verse that says this kind of person is sanctified by God (like an unbelieving spouse is).
Here's chapter and verse that says he is not:
14Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial b ? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.” c
17Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.” d
2 Corinthians 6:14-17
6Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister c but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
1 Corinthians 5:6-13
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Heb 10:29 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
The word is not just sanctified but sanctified by the blood of the covenant.
So according to you, a person can be sanctified by the blood of the covenant and still not be saved? What is the function of the blood of the covenant according to OSAS?
Hebrews 10v25b has a little treasure which has escaped scrutiny up until now. Since v26 is a verse with much substance, and many bibles make a paragraph split at this point, we can be forgiven for missing quite an important connection with verse 25b.
Lets look at it:
v25b but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
>Exhorting means (Strongs 3870 http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2b/gre3870.htm)
- 1) to call to one's side, call for, summon
2) to address, speak to, (call to, call upon), which may be done in the way of exhortation, entreaty, comfort, instruction, etc.
2a) to admonish, exhort
2b) to beg, entreat, beseech
2b1) to strive to appease by entreaty
2c) to console, to encourage and strengthen by consolation, to comfort
2c1) to receive consolation, be comforted
2d) to encourage, strengthen
2e) exhorting and comforting and encouraging
2f) to instruct, teach
>It implores this all the more as we see the Day approaching. This Day, known as the Day of the Lord, 1 of the most significant and important days in history. It is when God wraps everything up that has happened on this planet. It is the final accounting of everything, where sheep and goats are separated, with eternal consequences for both.
>What is Paul imploring the church to do? The Exhort one another. To check in with one another. To rebuke one another. To encourage one another.
>WHY?
Next verse: For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth...….
>This word "For" is a direct link, and implication, that unfolds from verse 25b.
>And yes --- these are all believers.
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Salvation is based on true repentance and true faith.
what God gives a person who is saved is so precious and so powerful. That person would never depart from the faith.
thats WHY joh said, they departed from us, but they were never of us, for if the were truly of us, they never would have left, but theft to expose the fact they were never of us
who are they? Those who do not believe (have faith) in in God, John called them antiChrists or against Christ.
the people you claim had Jesus were lost, are lost, and will forever be lost until they repent.
mere belief is not enough (see James 2j
i think your close, your just leaving something out..
what God gives a person who is saved is so precious and so powerful. That person would never depart from the faith.
thats WHY joh said, they departed from us, but they were never of us, for if the were truly of us, they never would have left, but theft to expose the fact they were never of us
who are they? Those who do not believe (have faith) in in God, John called them antiChrists or against Christ.
the people you claim had Jesus were lost, are lost, and will forever be lost until they repent.
mere belief is not enough (see James 2j
i think your close, your just leaving something out..
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Yet you are free to falsely accuse us
take it from people before you. Don’t make their mistake of demanding people do what you refuse to do yourself
you want to talk scripture let’s talk
yoou want to attack with false truths, you will quickly learn you will find no audience willing to listen.
take it from people before you. Don’t make their mistake of demanding people do what you refuse to do yourself
you want to talk scripture let’s talk
yoou want to attack with false truths, you will quickly learn you will find no audience willing to listen.
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