Is the Gospel a job offer? Or good news aimed at those who believe?

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Dave-L said:
You are turning the gospel into law. Why? because you must be saved before you can believe. So it's not a job offer, it's an announcement to believers about their salvation and what to do with it.
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Whatever, again you lie!

your ignoring John 3: 16 plain and simple
End of discussion about what it means to be born again
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You sir are a false accuser, and ignorant or willfully reject the definition of a gift

When you offer a person a gift it is not a work for them to take it

the work was completed by the one who paid for the gift

Even if the receiver says know the gift is still offered. The one who rejected just does not rep the benefits
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We are wearing it out. Let's wait for another topic to discuss.
 
Dave-L said:
The scriptures have 3 different interpretations in this matter. 1) God alone saves sinners (Calvinism). Sinners save themselves with God's help (Free Will/Arminianism/Catholicism). And 3) people are not ruined by sin, they save themselves through obedience (Pelagianism/Socinianism)
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Sounds like three misinterpretations to me.
 
Dave-L said:
Be careful. The sower parable would be #2 0r #3 mostly with the good soil being #1.
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So think of it this way if you will.
The sees are alive because God inhabits his word. The sower is the evangelist, or person sharing the gospel to his neighbor. So he broadcasts the seeds, and Jesus compares the different hearers of this living word inhabited by God through his Holy Spirit. This word enters the man and calls him to repentance and empowers him to repent because he has no ability to, but some men are hard hearted and reject this grace, immediately. He by his will gardens himself against this word. Then there is the man who received the word and likes what he hears and at first he doesn't reject right away but when he walks away he become indulged in his life hardening himself against the grace given him, thus he is not converted because he rejects God's word and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, now the third man is convicted by those words and believes and he is broken by the weight of his sins and tenderized, and his will gives way and he is converted. Not by his strength but because he is weak, and the Holy Spirit converts him and he is reborn.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Whatever, again you lie!

your ignoring John 3: 16 plain and simple
End of discussion about what it means to be born again
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You know good and well that "all" means all the elect, and everyone means everyone of the elect and the whole world means the world of the elect and whosoever means whosoever of the elect, etc...

Therefore, for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God is only talking about the elect. They are the only ones who have fallen short and sinned.;)

Ridiculous!
 
Locoponydirtman said:
So think of it this way if you will.
The sees are alive because God inhabits his word. The sower is the evangelist, or person sharing the gospel to his neighbor. So he broadcasts the seeds, and Jesus compares the different hearers of this living word inhabited by God through his Holy Spirit. This word enters the man and calls him to repentance and empowers him to repent because he has no ability to, but some men are hard hearted and reject this grace, immediately. He by his will gardens himself against this word. Then there is the man who received the word and likes what he hears and at first he doesn't reject right away but when he walks away he become indulged in his life hardening himself against the grace given him, thus he is not converted because he rejects God's word and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, now the third man is convicted by those words and believes and he is broken by the weight of his sins and tenderized, and his will gives way and he is converted. Not by his strength but because he is weak, and the Holy Spirit converts him and he is reborn.
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Interesting. I see it that God creates all the soils just as they are. And the results depending on the types of soils he created. But the good soil is such because he created it that way. And the seed flourishes when the others fail.

Free will comes from bad soil, the flesh. And it produces tares and failures. Grace created the good soil for the purpose of growing people in Christ's likeness. All hear the same gospel but only the regenerated soil produces good crops from it.
 
Lightskin said:
That’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks or says.
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In the end Grace saves believers. Those who choose to believe would not if they didn't already believe. They're just confused by a false gospel they picked up somewhere.
 
Dave-L said:
Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. Those who think you must choose to believe, already believe, or they would not choose to believe.
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I’m getting tripped up at, “those who think you must choose to believe”. When I heard about Jesus for the first time my heart burst open with joy. The belief was instantaneous.
 
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Lightskin said:
I’m getting tripped up at, “those who think you must choose to believe”. When I heard about Jesus for the first time my heart burst open with joy. The belief was instantaneous.
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Most turn salvation into works thinking they must of their free will chose to believe before God will save them. This is the thrust of my Job offer Salvation article.
 
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Dave-L said:
Interesting. I see it that God creates all the soils just as they are. And the results depending on the types of soils he created. But the good soil is such because he created it that way. And the seed flourishes when the others fail.

Free will comes from bad soil, the flesh. And it produces tares and failures. Grace created the good soil for the purpose of growing people in Christ's likeness. All hear the same gospel but only the regenerated soil produces good crops from it.
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I believe that everything that God creates is good ground including humans. Children are always good ground. They become hardened and Rocky as the devil and their sin nature works on them weathering, tempering, and hardening them.
 
Locoponydirtman said:
I believe that everything that God creates is good ground including humans. Children are always good ground. They become hardened and Rocky as the devil and their sin nature works on them weathering, tempering, and hardening them.
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But he creates bad things too. Weeds are part of the curse.
 
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