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EleventhHour

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grace is a position a believer is placed into....they are not removed genius!
When I read his posts all I think about is deny, deny, deny.
Deny grace
Deny imputed righteousness
Deny the gift of salvation
Deny faith
Deny justified and sanctified
Deny the complete efficacy of the blood of Christ
Deny His promises

And in the place of all that I place myself!
 
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EleventhHour

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We are saved by GRACE THROUGH faith into the gospel message of salvation and JUSTIFIED BY the SAME FAITH!!!

the blood saves no one without FAITH
You see the @PS talks about laying down his life daily for Christ, it is not about faith in Christ to save but about his own working for salvation.
 

oyster67

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grace is a position a believer is placed into.
Amen, Dcon! I completely agree that too much emphasis has been placed on what men "do for God", and not enough on what He has done for us. It is He who sacrificed. It is we who profit.

Luke 17
17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
 
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!
New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
Amen! That's how we come to Him, and that by His own choice. As Jesus said to Paul, "I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive freedom[Gr.] from sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me." Acts 26:18

As Ern Baxter said, "Real faith is hearing under God, being submissive under God and obeying God." Jesus brings us out of "Egypt" and from under "Pharoah". He brings us through the water, gives us the "cloud" and we come under Him. Our bodies are living sacrifices through the Good News of the Kingdom of God. Salvation is a change of government. The true Gospel is the power of God and it changes people radically. They were walking one way - now they walk in a new Way. Jesus walked in that Way, and abiding in Him, we must walk as He did (which is not humanly possible.)

Satan has been allowed to hide much of this through religion. Many give mental ascent to a couple of claims of Jesus, but there is never repentance. Vast hoards of Christians never become new creations. Because Jesus is not Head, the church is almost infinitely fragmented. If we were one, the world would believe that the Father sent the Son. Because we are not, but most walk after their own way today, according to their souls, the world is degenerating.

Sin is my way as opposed to His Way. In fact, whatever does not come from faith is sin, as it is written. Are you a new creation and are you being led today by the Holy Spirit? The addicts need to hear. The rebellious and the tormented need to hear. All without peace need to find the Prince of Peace. Humans need to humble themselves under His mighty hand. He gives grace to the humble.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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grace is a position a believer is placed into....they are not removed genius!
He needs to read jude

those who turn grace to licentiousness were never saved to begin with.


4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord [b]God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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He needs to read jude

those who turn grace to licentiousness were never saved to begin with.

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Amen! Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit (vs. 19) In CONTRAST to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ (vs. 1). Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off. (y)
 
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Locoponydirtman

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With respect, that's a funny question considering the forum we're in and the many hundreds of pages of evidence that exist here in answer to your question.
We may disagree to application or meaning, but the post in question. Was simply scripture that makes an assertion. And while we have some room to debate application and meaning of some passages of scripture, we do not have the luxury of disagreeing with the emphatic assertions made by scripture.
 

Melach

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i heard the chinese virus came from snake meat. goes to show us we should be back under the law of moses and obey leviticus on what to eat and what not to eat. (ignore mad cow disease)
 
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EleventhHour

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i heard the chinese virus came from snake meat. goes to show us we should be back under the law of moses and obey leviticus on what to eat and what not to eat. (ignore mad cow disease)
A bat may have infected the snake. Again poor sanitation at the market a problem where wild live animals were sold.

If you know anyone who has been to China, and I know several, they will tell you outside of the tourist areas it is not clean.
 
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EleventhHour

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He needs to read jude

those who turn grace to licentiousness were never saved to begin with.

4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny the only Lord [b]God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

The false teachers REVILED the things they did not understand.

...and we see this daily in this thread.
 

Melach

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A bat may have infected the snake. Again poor sanitation at the market a problem where wild live animals were sold.

If you know anyone who has been to China, and I know several, they will tell you outside of the tourist areas it is not clean.
i dont know if you saw my chart that i drew on some page here. i will do a fresh HD edition just for you right now.

this is the world according to melach:

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what the map means: anything below that line, is called the death zone, i will not go there, my universe ends there. and as you can see, china is in the wasteland area. too many people, too polluted, china and india are the biggest garbage dumps in the world. btw how do you think the hygiene was in the bible days better or worse?
 

Melach

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Exactly.......it cured the beginnings of arthritis in my hands from 14 years in Machine Shop
good but i would be afraid to take it. isnt that like quicksilver? i got that in my teeth fillings and im scared of that too i might get them removed soon and replaced with something else.
 
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Ruby123

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i dont know if you saw my chart that i drew on some page here. i will do a fresh HD edition just for you right now.

this is the world according to melach:

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what the map means: anything below that line, is called the death zone, i will not go there, my universe ends there. and as you can see, china is in the wasteland area. too many people, too polluted, china and india are the biggest garbage dumps in the world. btw how do you think the hygiene was in the bible days better or worse?
Melach, why is Australia in your death zone?
 
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EleventhHour

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i dont know if you saw my chart that i drew on some page here. i will do a fresh HD edition just for you right now.

this is the world according to melach:

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what the map means: anything below that line, is called the death zone, i will not go there, my universe ends there. and as you can see, china is in the wasteland area. too many people, too polluted, china and india are the biggest garbage dumps in the world. btw how do you think the hygiene was in the bible days better or worse?
The difficulty in China is after the revolution and so much death an entire generation of children raised themselves and therefore they did not have basic skills in so many areas of life.

I am sure they were plagued with disease during biblical times as well. The Roman baths were quite infested I am sure.
 

Melach

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Melach, why is Australia in your death zone?
let me go through my archives and find the state of australia report... oh i cant find it i have to just go off the hip:

- too hot (just saw article here and here saying australia capital might become unliveable because of heatwave)
- too many venomous animals (really. take a look, everything is venomous.)
- too many fires
- too much water scarcity
- not enough lakes (i live next to many lakes i love lakes)
- too many poisonous trees, plants, possibly concrete
- apartments are unlivable because of constant bug infestations (venomous bugs btw)
- these said apartments are expensive
- you cant ever go swimming ever ever, look at what happened to that crocodile dundee guy
- dust storms
- too close to japan and fukushima accident


thats all. kangaroo mate. good day mate. much love