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Whispered said:
I think if you just leave my remarks at what you have in quotes above, it gives the wrong message as to my position.
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Whispered said:
I think if you just leave my remarks at what you have in quotes above, it gives the wrong message as to my position.
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I was planning to reference what we are talking about, like... "The moral law that is grounded (or fulfilled) in love and reiterated by Christ in his ministry no longer matters if the law of God is done away with"? You the one that made the statement so I would appreciate if you give it in two sentence. If no one can understand what you stated they have a reading comprehension problem or juse want to deliberately do away with the law.
 
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Very good statements you made toward does who hold that the law is done away with... "a moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters", I add this statement in one of my web page and sign "whisper"
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Correction, "toward those" (not does). Believe me I type fast which is why I usually go over all, but when I type one or two lines I just post without checking for errors.
 
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I was planning to reference what we are talking about, like... "The moral law that is grounded (or fulfilled) in love and reiterated by Christ in his ministry no longer matters if the law of God is done away with"? You the one that made the statement so I would appreciate if you give it in two sentence. If no one can understand what you stated they have a reading comprehension problem or juse want to deliberately do away with the law.
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I think we've both read enough evidence to affirm that already haven't we? Those who deliberately want to do away with the law? Sad really. Jesus message reformatted to not be of Him at all. :(

All of two sentences huh? You expect someone as mouthy as I am at times to make short work of my thoughts? ;):p
OK, here goes.
Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of our Lords.That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that?

Two and a quarter sentences. I overstepped a bit. Told you I was mouthy.

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Correction, "toward those" (not does). Believe me I type fast which is why I usually go over all, but when I type one or two lines I just post without checking for errors.
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I too have done the same thing. No worries.
Blessings.
 
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Whispered said:
I think we've both read enough evidence to affirm that already haven't we? Those who deliberately want to do away with the law? Sad really. Jesus message reformatted to not be of Him at all. :(

All of two sentences huh? You expect someone as mouthy as I am at times to make short work of my thoughts? ;):p
OK, here goes.
Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of our Lords.That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that?

Two and a quarter sentences. I overstepped a bit. Told you I was mouthy.

I too have done the same thing. No worries.
Blessings.
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I was not only spellbound in the way you wrote it, the brightness of your statement is enough to shed light to the truth of God's word, what God made clear when he first spoke.
 
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Whispered said:
I think we've both read enough evidence to affirm that already haven't we? Those who deliberately want to do away with the law? Sad really. Jesus message reformatted to not be of Him at all. :(

All of two sentences huh? You expect someone as mouthy as I am at times to make short work of my thoughts? ;):p
OK, here goes.
Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of our Lords.That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that?

Two and a quarter sentences. I overstepped a bit. Told you I was mouthy.

I too have done the same thing. No worries.
Blessings.
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Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of God's word. That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that? (by Whispered)

Please note that I replaced "our Lord" with God's word because the subject it the word of God. Don't thing you will not object. There is my email [email protected], even though the download for the five page is $1.75 I want to just send it to you at no charge. I show in this writing out the law and grace work together without entangling.
 
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Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of God's word. That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that? (by Whispered)

Please note that I replaced "our Lord" with God's word because the subject it the word of God. Don't thing you will not object. There is my email [email protected], even though the download for the five page is $1.75 I want to just send it to you at no charge. I show in this writing out the law and grace work together without entangling.
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Very kind. Thank you for thinking of me in this way.
 
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Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of God's word. That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that? (by Whispered)

Please note that I replaced "our Lord" with God's word because the subject it the word of God. Don't thing you will not object. There is my email [email protected], even though the download for the five page is $1.75 I want to just send it to you at no charge. I show in this writing out the law and grace work together without entangling.
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The law and grace work together to bring people to Christ,

and your charging 1.75 to show people what you think is true?

wow man, just wow.
 
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That's too bad because when someone thinks they can blaspheme Christ and slander Christians with impunity, they're delusional and without grace and as such are deserved of being rebuked, just as God says.
As for proof? No. The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over again while expecting a different outcome. When over 3 thousand pages don't get through, after the Bible itself fails,one owes it to their precious life's time to acknowledge it is as God wills.
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so now I am a blasphemer and delusional, because of my humility in acknowledging I can not live up to Gods standard

you maam are again on report.

I am sick of your slander,

sick of your outright attacks,

and sick of your refusal to listen to people, and continued attacking them with a false truth.
 
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Very good statements you made toward does who hold that the law is done away with... "a moral law grounded in love and reiterated by Christ in His ministry no longer matters", I add this statement in one of my web page and sign "whisper"
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FOR THE LAST TIME WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE LAW IS DONE AWAY WITH

you People walk around telling people how great the law is and how well you can follow it, yet yu continually break the 8th command

the law continues to do what its intended purpose was. To act as a tutor. god said not one jot or tittle of the law will pass.

God did not lie

why do people think they can come into a christian chat room, continually break Gods commands, then demand everyone obey Gods commands?


 
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It will be a glorious day when people who teach the law actually understand it, and the world actually is trained by it,
 
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Denominational fracture of the very words of God have managed to manifest man's ideology in place of God's word. That clamoring that insists God's law is done away, that means by which we know what sin is and thus know what we are saved from, in truth reiterates as often as it cries forth, Christ and His true ministry no longer matters. Who saves us from that? (by Whispered)

Please note that I replaced "our Lord" with God's word because the subject it the word of God. Don't thing you will not object. There is my email [email protected], even though the download for the five page is $1.75 I want to just send it to you at no charge. I show in this writing out the law and grace work together without entangling.
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Jesus said the law is great, but you can follow the law yet still be a law breaker

how?

he gave ten commands, the commands were general,commands, do not commit adulty

accordimg to the letters if you never sleep with another man/woman, you have kept the law

however there is a flaw. The law does not tell you every possible way to break it.

Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus have a few examples of how weak the law is to teach us righteous moral living, see the law is Good, it is Holy, but it has a purpose (lead us to Christ) taken out of context and in a way it was never intended, it also can lead astray, and lead to false sense of how righteous you really are, thinking because you think you obey it, when in Gods eyes, your still a sinner.

of course lawyers deep inside know this, that’s why they attack and get mad and judge so easily, because it’s a defense mechanism, it hides their guilt. That’s also why they can break certain commands and feel no shame or guilt, because they also have watered down Gods law
 
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Is your wife bound to you? are you bound to your wife?
Again, congratulations for perfectly keeping the law of Moses.
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I'm not. No one has. Except for the ONE who fulfilled that law and gives us Rest.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 
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I'm not. No one has. Except for the ONE who fulfilled that law and gives us Rest.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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But is your wife bound to you in marriage as per the law? And are you bound to your wife as per the law?

From here now you can understand why no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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But is your wife bound to you in marriage as per the law? And are you bound to your wife as per the law?

From here now you can understand why no adulterer will inherit the kingdom of God.
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The law makes no one perfect. It can't make you righteous. You can't earn entry into the Kingdom of God by your work at the law.

Romans 9:32-33
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
 
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The law makes no one perfect. It can't make you righteous. You can't earn entry into the Kingdom of God by your work at the law.

Romans 9:32-33
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Romans 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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I haven't reach the point where the law makes anyone righteous or not, i just want to know:

Is your wife bound to you in marriage as per the law? and are you bound to your wife as per the law?
 
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I haven't reach the point where the law makes anyone righteous or not, i just want to know:

Is your wife bound to you in marriage as per the law? and are you bound to your wife as per the law?
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Yes, until one dies or adultery was committed, Yeshua said except it be for adultery. But let me also add, if a spouse dies, the living spouse is just free from the law of marriage, but that does not dismiss the law of adultery and he still can break the law that says thou shalt not covet they neighbors wife.
 
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Yes, until one dies or adultery was committed, Yeshua said except it be for adultery. But let me also add, if a spouse dies, the living spouse is just free from the law of marriage, but that does not dismiss the law of adultery and he still can break the law that says thou shalt not covet they neighbors wife.
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Yes.
But @Grandpa is pretending he doesn't see this.
 
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Yes.
But @Grandpa is pretending he doesn't see this.
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Noose said:
Yes.
But @Grandpa is pretending he doesn't see this.
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Anyone that says that the law of God is don't away with don't want to face the truth. I have a 5 pages that I wrote on my site for $1.75 and none of them will purchase the page because they cannot respond accordingly. I posted some on this page and they did not respond. You can enter the website and read some of the lessons at no charge, I will be posting two a month... https://info349479.wixsite.com/mysite
 
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