What does it mean to BELIEVE IN JESUS?

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Aerials1978

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Did he commandvus to pray every seconds, read the bible everyday?
You asked how I ignored Him and I answered. But yes, we as Christians are commanded to pray continuously.


1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
 

watcher2013

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You asked how I ignored Him and I answered. But yes, we as Christians are commanded to pray continuously.


1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Does it mean pray 24 hrs a day? What is it meant without ceasing?
 

Aerials1978

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Do you pray 24 hrs a day? What is it meant without ceasing?
Can I ask what is the primary objective of your OP? Are looking for real dialogue or only to ask questions without giving a response?
 

watcher2013

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Can I ask what is the primary objective of your OP? Are looking for real dialogue or only to ask questions without giving a response?
To know the different understanding of Christians on what it meant for them to believe in Christ...how they believe, so we need to obey...what are those we need to obey?
 

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To know the different understanding of Christians on what it meant for them to believe in Christ...how they believe, so we need to obey...what are those we need to obey?
What does it mean to you to believe in Jesus?
 

watcher2013

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What does it mean to you to believe in Jesus?
As a gentile, To accept as truth what peter said in acts 10:36-43
To be baptise in the process as performed by the apostles
To abstain from the list in acts 15:20
To love God
To love neighbour
 

Aerials1978

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To know the different understanding of Christians on what it meant for them to believe in Christ...how they believe, so we need to obey...what are those we need to obey?
Are you exempt from your own OP?
As a gentile, To accept as truth what peter said in acts 10:36-43
To be baptise in the process as performed by the apostles
To abstain from the list in acts 15:20
To love God
To love neighbour
Thank you for answering
 

Roughsoul1991

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So it contradicts someone who say he do not what to believed in Jesus anymore. And insist that when you believed you will remain believers.
Yep but it gets deeper. Basically God already chose or elected who would be saved so some are just hellhound from birth.
 

watcher2013

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Yep but it gets deeper. Basically God already chose or elected who would be saved so some are just hellhound from birth.
Does that mean whatever you do youll end up saved???? Isnt unfair some are pre selected?
 

watcher2013

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Yep but it gets deeper. Basically God already chose or elected who would be saved so some are just hellhound from birth.
Or maybe because God knows the future and those pre selected are the ones that hold on to their faith.
Isnt He who declares the end from the beginning.
Isa 46:10 KJV Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
 

Roughsoul1991

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Does that mean whatever you do youll end up saved???? Isnt unfair some are pre selected?
For the elected they was chosen by God as to why they came to faith. And to why it is impossible for them to leave. For those who fall away they just say they was never a true believer. Scripture talks about accountability to sin which is a lie if some people are damned from the start.

Of course predestined and elect are seen in scripture. In context I see mankind was predestined a Savior as to why scripture invites all who believe. And the elect are of the foreknowledge of God. The foreseen end of times and the book of life. God already sees who names are in the book of life. So it by no ways excludes free will.

Of course this is very brief but boiled down from sifting through the Calvinist doctrines. The debates will probably be going until Christ returns. I personally dont see it as a soul salvation issue but just bad theology. So even though it may seem off to me, I no longer try to get carried off into the weeds of it.
 
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Where in the scriptures said that it will be rebuilt during tribulation?
This Temple has to be rebuilt once again because there is an event involving the
Antichrist called the “Abomination of Desolation.” Remember these 3 words! When this
event happens, we literally have a countdown of 42 months before Jesus comes back.

What the Antichrist does in this event is to seat himself up in the Temple of God
proclaiming himself to be God, and from this point on, the second half of the tribulation
takes place, which will then have the greatest persecution of Jews and Christians the
world has ever seen!

The Antichrist cannot seat himself up in this Temple unless it has already been rebuilt.
The consensus is that in the first three and half years of the Tribulation, the Antichrist
will establish some kind of peace treaty or covenant with Israel.

He will then allow the rebuilding of the Temple, and once that is completed, he will then
break his pact with Israel and seat himself up in the Temple proclaiming himself to be
God.
 
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As a gentile, To accept as truth what peter said in acts 10:36-43
To be baptise in the process as performed by the apostles
To abstain from the list in acts 15:20
To love God
To love neighbour
So you believe Gentiles have to be water baptised and keep the Law, to be saved?

Note that the 2 greatest commandments summed up the Law, and the Law does not allow you to merely "try your best". If you fail to love God with ALL your heart, you are considered a law breaker, and will be cursed.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Or maybe because God knows the future and those pre selected are the ones that hold on to their faith.
Isnt He who declares the end from the beginning.
Isa 46:10 KJV Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Foreknowledge exactly
 

mailmandan

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“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.” Matthew 24:11 (KJV 1900)
The Calvinist Christ is totally different from the Arminian Christ. As is the Jehovah's Witness Christ and the Oneness Pentecostal Christ.
Scripture certainly does speak of false prophets and false believers. 2 Corinthians 11:26 (NKJV) - in journeys often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils of my own countrymen, in perils of the Gentiles, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren. (NIV - false believers) (AMP - those posing as believers)

Galatians 2:4 - And this occurred because of false brethren secretly brought in (who came in by stealth to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage). (NIV - false believers) (AMP - false brothers [those people masquerading as Christians])
 

watcher2013

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So you believe Gentiles have to be water baptised and keep the Law, to be saved?

Note that the 2 greatest commandments summed up the Law, and the Law does not allow you to merely "try your best". If you fail to love God with ALL your heart, you are considered a law breaker, and will be cursed.
Water abtised...
If there is nothing that prohibit a gentile to be baptised. Yes gentiles need to be be baptise.

Keeping the law?
Keeping the law of Christ...

1Jn 2:1 KJV My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

These are written so we sin not. But if we fall....
 

watcher2013

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This Temple has to be rebuilt once again because there is an event involving the
Antichrist called the “Abomination of Desolation.” Remember these 3 words! When this
event happens, we literally have a countdown of 42 months before Jesus comes back.

What the Antichrist does in this event is to seat himself up in the Temple of God
proclaiming himself to be God, and from this point on, the second half of the tribulation
takes place, which will then have the greatest persecution of Jews and Christians the
world has ever seen!

The Antichrist cannot seat himself up in this Temple unless it has already been rebuilt.
The consensus is that in the first three and half years of the Tribulation, the Antichrist
will establish some kind of peace treaty or covenant with Israel.

He will then allow the rebuilding of the Temple, and once that is completed, he will then
break his pact with Israel and seat himself up in the Temple proclaiming himself to be
God.
When mans pride reaches to heaven, God describe the sin as the sin of that angel.
King of babylon - isa 14
Prince of tyrus - eze 28

Is it not possible...if any, it was already built before the seven years...
 
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When mans pride reaches to heaven, God describe the sin as the sin of that angel.
King of babylon - isa 14
Prince of tyrus - eze 28

Is it not possible...if any, it was already built before the seven years...
ever since ad 70, it has not been rebuilt