On this Virus from China

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EleventhHour

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Ha, ha. Nice try, but what Chinese agent would tell of the evils of Communism? I'm certainly no lover of the wicked regime in China, but the fear from this alleged virus is overhyped. I'm not saying there is no danger, nor even that people aren't dying. What I am saying is that this is a solution in need of a problem. The solution is travel bans and vaccinations, and possibly an excuse to disturb the financial system - the problem is this made-up virus. Remember the recent exposures of the WHO "experts" on the dangers of vaccination? Convenient this little international virus emergency then crops up to hide all the red faces of the so-called vaccine experts, doncha think?

I agree the Chinese would have no qualms about sacrificing their own people. But we're losing the sight of the real issue in face of the alleged problem. Those who sacrifice freedom (e.g. travel) for security (e.g. safety from some boogey-man virus) will have neither.

Bleh. I disagree. If the Western nations weren't cowtowing to the Communist liars, they would call China's bluff and tell them there is no virus, and to try harder next time. Then do some proper analysis on the bodies or the sick (if China can produce any), and prove that this is a toxin, or some biological agent, or possibly nothing at all. But we should never agree with the Communists about sacrificing freedom for security. It's not worth it.
What are you talking about, there are confirmed cases in other countries are you stating they are imaginary?
 
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What are you talking about, there are confirmed cases in other countries are you stating they are imaginary?
Define a "confirmed case"? Someone exhibits flu-like symptoms? Someone tests positive to something, but has no symptoms? Someone dies of something similar in nature to the flu? You've got to be careful with your words, because the words bandied about in the media often don't carry a consistent meaning. Even if someone in another country tested positive to a test for a corona virus, exhibited the symptoms, and subsequently died, a single case is not an epidemic.
 
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Define a "confirmed case"? Someone exhibits flu-like symptoms? Someone tests positive to something, but has no symptoms? Someone dies of something similar in nature to the flu? You've got to be careful with your words, because the words bandied about in the media often don't carry a consistent meaning. Even if someone in another country tested positive to a test for a corona virus, exhibited the symptoms, and subsequently died, a single case is not an epidemic.
What are you debating whether the virus is real or whether it is an epidemic?
 
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What are you debating whether the virus is real or whether it is an epidemic?
Or whether it is even one disease at all. From the descriptions, this corona virus is indistinguishable from the flu, and we all know how common colds and flu are. They come around every year, but the sky is not falling. No reason to panic.
 
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EleventhHour

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Or whether it is even one disease at all. From the descriptions, this corona virus is indistinguishable from the flu, and we all know how common colds and flu are. They come around every year, but the sky is not falling. No reason to panic.
Agree flu like symptoms and ir appears some people asymptomatic as well.

Having said that, the problem and danger here is that it incubates and it is contagious for two weeks before symptoms appear which means it is going to have a high transmission rate.


...so yes it will be an epidemic for many countries, and it will cause death mostly for those with weakened immune systems....so while the death rate is at about 2% lower than other viruses.....the more people infected more dead....simple as that.
 
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EleventhHour

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Or whether it is even one disease at all. From the descriptions, this corona virus is indistinguishable from the flu, and we all know how common colds and flu are. They come around every year, but the sky is not falling. No reason to panic.
With the flu the person is contagious typically one day before...so the circle of human to human contact much narrower than with this new 2019nCoV which is two weeks of human to human transmission.
 
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seriously folks, let's be real here, poison manifests itself in a plethora of ways in which we have to deal with
in today's society = 'The curse does not come without a cause'... = America sold her soul and thus she is
in bed/bondage to China & other countries=some kind of disease' is inevitable and the 'new-virus' are
just the 'tip of the ice-burg'...
 
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With the flu the person is contagious typically one day before...so the circle of human to human contact much narrower than with this new 2019nCoV which is two weeks of human to human transmission.
That is the scary thing about it.....also I have read numerous reports and have had friends sending me videos that say it has been genetically engineered in a lab and has AIDS type additions......and there seems to be some proof of this....yesterday I seen a report from Thailand that one of 9 people or so that had it was on his death bed and they gave him a cocktail shot of meds used for the Aids virus along with anti-viral's and within 48 hours he was fine with no trace of the virus.....(supposedly)
 
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Or whether it is even one disease at all. From the descriptions, this corona virus is indistinguishable from the flu, and we all know how common colds and flu are. They come around every year, but the sky is not falling. No reason to panic.
No body is panicking pal, but a few facts seem to allude your reasoning skills....

a. Like I said above....a nation does not quarantine over 60 million people (now) if only a few thousand are sick and a few hundred dead
b. Nations do not stop ALL flights to and from said nation if A (bolded) is factual
c. The Spanish flu killed some 25 to 30 million people
d. The BIBLE speaks of emergent diseases that KILL many (the 2nd thru 4th horse of the apocalypse) KILL 1/4 of the earth's population

We cannot keep our heads in the sand.....WISE MEN see evil coming and prepare for it <----THIS is biblical and found thru and thru the bible............
 
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EleventhHour

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That is the scary thing about it.....also I have read numerous reports and have had friends sending me videos that say it has been genetically engineered in a lab and has AIDS type additions......and there seems to be some proof of this....yesterday I seen a report from Thailand that one of 9 people or so that had it was on his death bed and they gave him a cocktail shot of meds used for the Aids virus along with anti-viral's and within 48 hours he was fine with no trace of the virus.....(supposedly)
Well treatment is a good thing for sure since being a new virus the body does not have the antibodies.

Very possible it was genetically engineered, I think SARS and H1N1 were probably as well.
 
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EleventhHour

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No body is panicking pal, but a few facts seem to allude your reasoning skills....

a. Like I said above....a nation does not quarantine over 60 million people (now) if only a few thousand are sick and a few hundred dead
b. Nations do not stop ALL flights to and from said nation if A (bolded) is factual
c. The Spanish flu killed some 25 to 30 million people
d. The BIBLE speaks of emergent diseases that KILL many (the 2nd thru 4th horse of the apocalypse) KILL 1/4 of the earth's population

We cannot keep our heads in the sand.....WISE MEN see evil coming and prepare for it <----THIS is biblical and found thru and thru the bible............
If this virus mutates and shares genetic information with another more virulent virus given it's long incubation period could be a real super bug from what I have read too.

Agree need to be vigilant, informed, prepared.
 
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Just read that the Chinese gov. will spray disinfectant on the ENTIRE CITY tonight.....yeah...it is not that bad....also read the U.S. gov. is secretly prepping for a global pandemic......
 

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Just read that the Chinese gov. will spray disinfectant on the ENTIRE CITY tonight.....yeah...it is not that bad....also read the U.S. gov. is secretly prepping for a global pandemic......
They built a hospital designed to hold 1,000 patients within ten days. They are said to be finishing the second hospital within the week. It is designed to hold 1,500 patients. The last time they did this was during the SARS outbreak and then they built one. This, more than anything, has me watching very closely. It makes me hypervigilant with hand washing. Just touching door handles and especially shopping cart handles are a huge infection vector for any type of infection. We need to be praying.
 
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They built a hospital designed to hold 1,000 patients within ten days. They are said to be finishing the second hospital within the week. It is designed to hold 1,500 patients. The last time they did this was during the SARS outbreak and then they built one. This, more than anything, has me watching very closely. It makes me hypervigilant with hand washing. Just touching door handles and especially shopping cart handles are a huge infection vector for any type of infection. We need to be praying.
Yeah....couple things...

a. What is happening on the ground indicates a way worse situation then they are letting on

b. I am a freak about keeping hands clean for sure...
 

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Or whether it is even one disease at all. From the descriptions, this corona virus is indistinguishable from the flu, and we all know how common colds and flu are. They come around every year, but the sky is not falling. No reason to panic.

I sincerely hope this is not an epidemic. In 1918 millions round the world died of Spanish Flu. History has a habit if repeating itself
I hope this isn't another example.
 
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No body is panicking pal, but a few facts seem to allude your reasoning skills....
Living in the good ol' US of A, pal, a few things seem to have alluded your perception.

a. Like I said above....a nation does not quarantine over 60 million people (now) if only a few thousand are sick and a few hundred dead
China is Communist. Communists are responsible for more deaths than all the wars combined. They harvest organs from living prisoners. You think a little quarantining of less than 1% of their population is going to phase them? Communism is not the US. The whole world is not sunshine and lolly pops.
b. Nations do not stop ALL flights to and from said nation if A (bolded) is factual
This is a logical fallacy. The No True Scotsman fallacy, in fact. Look it up. It'll do you good. :)
c. The Spanish flu killed some 25 to 30 million people
The Spanish flu was a vaccine-induced sickness, probably where this China hoax is headed.
d. The BIBLE speaks of emergent diseases that KILL many (the 2nd thru 4th horse of the apocalypse) KILL 1/4 of the earth's population
And so? Does this mean we hide under the table at every mention of the word virus? I'm an evidence-based man. When God strikes the Earth with a plague, it's more akin to the black death than the common cold. Also, in the book of Revelation, I believe He marks His own so the plagues don't affect them, but correct me if I'm mistaken on that point.

We cannot keep our heads in the sand.....WISE MEN see evil coming and prepare for it <----THIS is biblical and found thru and thru the bible............
And Jesus said He who seeks to save His life will lose it. Do you think that even if this were one of the biblical plagues foretold, which I have seen no evidence for, you will be able to hide by banning flights to and from China?

If this virus mutates and shares genetic information with another more virulent virus given it's long incubation period could be a real super bug from what I have read too.
This sounds like evolution. It didn't happen then (ever), and it won't happen now.

I sincerely hope this is not an epidemic. In 1918 millions round the world died of Spanish Flu. History has a habit if repeating itself
I hope this isn't another example.
The Spanish flu was caused by vaccines. Don't take the vaccine, and you won't die of the Spanish flu. Kinda simple to avoid.
 
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kaylagrl

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Yeah....couple things...

a. What is happening on the ground indicates a way worse situation then they are letting on

b. I am a freak about keeping hands clean for sure...

Anyone else see the leaked video on this last night? Think it was on Fox. People dead in the street. I am worried about it. My mother is taking cancer treatments right now and is vulnerable.
 
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Anyone else see the leaked video on this last night? Think it was on Fox. People dead in the street. I am worried about it. My mother is taking cancer treatments right now and is vulnerable.
Do you have a link to that video?