Who will populate the earth in the 1000 year Reign

[Reba1]

There is NO DISTINCTION in "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (to whom the Rapture SOLELY pertains). That is ALL SAINTS "in this present age [singular]" that Scripture itself speaks of.

The OT saints were never promised "Rapture".

The Trib saints and MK saints will exist on the earth FOLLOWING the event commonly called the Rapture. It, biblically/scripturally-speaking, literally DOES NOT pertain to them.

This post again shows the division . I did not say the Body of Christ was divided .

 

[John146]

Only the 144,000 will go through the great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble. The test will be severe. Like never was before.

The 144,000 are male Jews. They're not part of the body of Christ who have been caught up. Yes, Jacob's trouble, not the Church's trouble.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

This post again shows the division . I did not say the Body of Christ was divided .

I didn't either.

[Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence); There was no "body" without a "HEAD"]


Again, Eph1:10 is not speaking of "in this PRESENT age [singular]" but a yet future one.

"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" is all those saved "in this PRESENT age [singular]" (and wherein there is NO DISTINCTION); in the Trib yrs (the Church which is His body will NOT be present on the earth during that time-frame), there WILL be distinction between Jews and Gentiles (we will not be present on the earth in THAT time-slot!)

 

[Reba1]

Thank the Lord He saved me for about 40 years of dispenstaionalism

 

[Reba1]

I didn't either.

[Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence); There was no "body" without a "HEAD"]

When was Christ not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The seed the promise was made to is Jesus,

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[ who is Christ. Gal.3:16


when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, Lk.13:28

go back to genesis and show me where everyone was promised the land of canaan.

Until you do this, There is nothing to discuss

There are two promises made to abraham and his descendents,

One promise concerned the whole world

the other promise concerned 1 son and their families forever

You can not make the two one promise, they ARE NOT united

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Only the 144,000 will go through the great tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble. The test will be severe. Like never was before.

Do you mean "only the 144,000 will SURVIVE through the great tribulation"?

Because I believe that Dan12:12 is just ONE place that is showing there will be "still-alive persons" who make it completely through the trib years and will stand before the Son of man (His Second Coming to the earth 'designation' [/title, if you will]); where Dan12:12 says, "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days."

(...along with about 8 or so other "BLESSED" passages [I've listed in the past] that speak of "still-living" persons [saints] who will ENTER the MK age at that time, in their mortal bodies); Matt25:31-34 [parallel Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50], among others...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dispensationalism divides . The phrase used "our rapture' clearly shows division.

lol

Thats the problem with amills.

they love to attack with accusations.

then blame the others of causing division

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank the Lord He saved me for about 40 years of dispenstaionalism

this is not a salvation issue

 

[Reba1]

this is not a salvation issue

I was saved from dispensationalism ... When i saw the typo in my post it was to late to edit it . Saved out of about 40 years of Dispensationalism

 

[Reba1]

lol

Thats the problem with amills.

they love to attack with accusations.

then blame the others of causing division

I am not Amil

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was saved from dispensationalism ... When i saw the typo in my post it was to late to edit it . Saved out of about 40 years of Dispensationalism

ah ok

Thats sad. to me you wen the wrong way.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not Amil

if your not a dispy what are ya then?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

lol
Thats the problem with amills.
they love to attack with accusations.
then blame the others of causing division

To be fair, I don't believe the poster was saying [accusing others of] "CAUSING DIVISION" but more like, "there is the source of the [dispensational] viewpoint [which is] SHOWING 'A DIVISION'" that they believe is unbiblical/unscriptural and ungodly [/not of God], and this is due to their belief that "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" has been in existence throughout history even back to the time the first humans walked this earth.


I think I had a post on this... let me go see...


Ah, yes, here it is...

[quoting my past posts on this]

I'm looking for a different quote by George V Wigram... but (in the meantime) in its place, I'll just post this brief portion also by him (note the phrase "God's governmental ways on earth," which is what I believe Roman's 11's "olive tree" represents):

[quoting Wigram]

"Gen. 27:29 [Isaac blessing Jacob]. Let peoples (gamnzim, pl.), serve thee and [manners or sorts of ] nations (l'ummim, pl.) bow down to thee: be lord [a mighty man] over thy brethren.

"Observe, this would not run the source of the division of people back to Shem, Ham and Japhet, so as to make the word to be equivalent to what we call the races of people, in connection with the Noahic earth, who constitute the whole human family. The subdivision here alluded to took place in the family of Isaac, type of the heir of promise, not earlier; and the heads of this subdivision are brought before us in Rom. 9 All God's ways and subdivisions are to be noted."

[also]

"f Israel is the goh'y of experience, promise, blessing on the earth; the center of all God's governmental ways on earth; but in saying that, I look at them from outside and as one whole. When they are owned as gammi, my people, their detailed state and associations within is the aspect in which they are considered."

--George V Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/heb...t-testimony-psalms-article/g-v-wigram/la61041

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[quoting that other article by Wigram]

"[re: Romans 11] In Jesus Christ, if the question be about Christian position, eternal life, or the Church considered in her essential relationship to Christ, there was neither Jew nor Gentile; the thoughts found in this chapter [Romans 11] can THERE have no place. If the question be about the cutting off of an individual for sinful conduct, little matters it whether he be Jew or Gentile; that has nothing to do with it, and on the other hand, there would be no question about grafting in again of the Jews more than of any others, and neither Jews nor others could be grafted in, if God had cut them off in such a manner. And if it were a question about a warning from the Apostle to Christians at Rome, and so to others elsewhere, as being brethren, it would be almost nonsense to say, " And thou, O Gentile, take heed!" Why, thou, O Gentile? Had not Christians, Jews by birth, as much need to take heed? Or could the Spirit of God, in such a warning, have made the distinction, and thus denied the principle of, the Church of God in which there is neither Jew nor Gentile? If the question is about a divine administration upon earth, then God can well make the distinction and develop his ways towards the one and the other; and it is plain that from the commencement of the ninth chapter the Apostle is occupied with and pointedly contrasts the Jews and the Gentiles, presenting us with the administration of the divine ways upon the earth. First declaring his attachment to Israel, he points out an election in the election for the earth, and further, that if God according to his sovereignty had chosen Israel (and such was Israel's boast), He had not renounced His sovereignty; and consequently, He could call the Gentiles if he would. Then he recalls to mind that the prophets had shown that a little remnant only, of Israel, at such an epoch, would be saved, and that a stone of stumbling would be laid in Zion."

-- Thoughts on Romans 11 and the Responsibility of the Church, Present Testimony: Volume 4 George V. Wigram

http://bibletruthpublishers.com/tho...the-church/present-testimony-volume-4/la85282

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]



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Again, this is a matter of "correctly apportioning the word of truth" (NOT "DIVIDING" "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [the "ONE BODY"]… which is a completely different thing from what is meant by the phrase "causing division" as I see it)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The seed the promise was made to is Jesus,

Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,”[ who is Christ. Gal.3:16

This ^ is a matter then of going back into Genesis to view the distinctions [in those passages] between "SEED [SINGULAR]" and "SEED [PLURAL]" where used, to ascertain WHICH verse or verses (using the SINGULAR "SEED") that Galatians 3:16 is speaking of, in particular.


[and while doing so, taking note of what the "SEED [PLURAL]" verse/verses would be in reference to, as well ]

 

[Journeyman]

Well, let me just be clear for the readers' sakes then... that this is NOT what is being done by "dispensationalists" nor does it represent their stance (not sure what you mean by your use of the word "here" / "what is being done here").

In "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)] (which is made up of both Jews and Gentiles), they (we) are considered NEITHER, in our standing before God IN CHRIST. [NO DISTINCTION therein!]

But that is speaking of all those saved "in this present age [singular]". (For example, "our Rapture" pertains SOLELY to these ^ , NOT to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints.)

Those who come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture," are distinctly Jews/Israel and the Gentiles/nations, where this is spoken of.

And Ephesians 1:10, is not speaking of "in this present age [singular]" / the NOW, but yet future.

The rest of the epistle IS covering the NOW ("this present age [singular]" [where there is NO DISTINCTION in "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"), but Ephesians 1:10 is not speaking of this present age (but a yet future one! ).

Presently (in this present age [singular]), it is referring solely to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" where this is the case that there is NO DISTINCTION (therein).

I see the problem coming in when people do not perceive the CHRONOLOGY (and timing) issues, and simply lump everything into one big pile of mush... rather than distinguishing the things that differ as we are called to do, and "correctly apportioning the word of truth"

Ephesians 1 is a prime example of how gentiles are included in the promises God made to the Jews,

Eph.1
who hath blessed us (Jews) vs.3
he hath chosen us (Jews) in him before the foundation of the world, that we (Jews) vs.4
Having predestinated us (Jews) vs.5
he hath made us (Jews) vs.6
In whom we (Jews) vs.7
Wherein he hath abounded toward us (Jews) vs.8

And so on, until....

In whom ye (gentiles) also trusted, vs.13

It's obvious as you go into chapter 2, that Paul thought of himself and other Jewish believers as being partakers of Gods promises to the Nation of Israel and that gentiles were included in them through Christ.

 

[3angelsmsg]

Do you mean "only the 144,000 will SURVIVE through the great tribulation"?

Because I believe that Dan12:12 is just ONE place that is showing there will be "still-alive persons" who make it completely through the trib years and will stand before the Son of man (His Second Coming to the earth 'designation' [/title, if you will]); where Dan12:12 says, "BLESSED is he that waiteth and cometh to the 1335 days."

(...along with about 8 or so other "BLESSED" passages [I've listed in the past] that speak of "still-living" persons [saints] who will ENTER the MK age at that time, in their mortal bodies); Matt25:31-34 [parallel Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50], among others...

Yes that is what I believe the scripture is saying. Firstly there will be a little time of trouble. When the sunday laws will be passed and God's people will be persecuted and some will lose their lives. It is also time when the church will get less. Many will betray one another. Many will be put to sleep before probation closes. Like it was in the days of Noah'. The people didn't even know that they were lost. Life continued as per normal for the 7days before the flood came. Likewise God's grace will end on earth. Nobody knows the exact time. God will withdraw His spirit from the earth and Jesus's intercession will cease in the heavenly sanctuary. And according to Daniel 12. Michael shall stand up, and this is time when the great time of trouble starts. Thereafter God's elected the 144,000 won't die until Jesus appear in the clouds. It won't make sense for them to die. Since grace has done its work in them. The time of Jacob's trouble is when the death decree is issued and when the protection of the earth laws are withdraw from protecting God's people.

 

[Journeyman]

go back to genesis and show me where everyone was promised the land of canaan.

Until you do this, There is nothing to discuss

There are two promises made to abraham and his descendents,

One promise concerned the whole world

the other promise concerned 1 son and their families forever

You can not make the two one promise, they ARE NOT united

The ones son is a figure of Christ. I've already shown Genesis from the NT perspective.

 

[Journeyman]

This ^ is a matter then of going back into Genesis to view the distinctions [in those passages] between "SEED [SINGULAR]" and "SEED [PLURAL]" where used, to ascertain WHICH verse or verses (using the SINGULAR "SEED") that Galatians 3:16 is speaking of, in particular.

[and while doing so, taking note of what the "SEED [PLURAL]" verse/verses would be in reference to, as well ]

It's a matter of being born again of Abrahams seed who is also God,

That is, They which are the children of the flesh (the Jewish people), these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise (believers) are counted for the seed. Rom.9:8

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The ones son is a figure of Christ. I've already shown Genesis from the NT perspective.

Does anyone else get as frutrated as I do when people can not seem to answer simple questions?

Gen 12
“Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;

I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

we see here two promises in Gods origional covenant with abraham

1. he will give him land and make him a (singular) nation
2. He will bless all the nations on earth through his seed.

the first promise is a physical gift To one of his sins and their families.
the Econ’s promise is a spiritual gift to all mankind

he continues this

Chapter 15: 17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:

“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

this concerns the first promise, a physical promise to one son and his families also not.

This is an UNCONDITIONAL covenant. Or as some call it, an I WILL or one sided covenant God did not say, If you and your family does this, I WILL do that, he said I WILL

he continues later

gen 17 - As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of [b]many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called [c]Abram, but your name shall be [d]Abraham; for I have made you a father of [e]many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

here again we see two different aspect. A father of many nations (he had many sone, who grew into many nations.

Then we have one nations, who is given the land of Canaan. How long did God say this gift would be there’s? Until they sinned? Until they angered God and he took it away from them? Until they did this or that?
No!

In Gods words

As an everlasting possession;

now. one more time

can you tell me where in these promises EVERYONE on earth is promised the land of Canaan?

I will be waiting