Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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watcher2013

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Dave-L said:
Paul uses himself as proof God did not cast away his people.

“I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.” Romans 11:1 (KJV 1900)

He removed the wicked unbelievers as he said.

“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)
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Good that you acknowledged...paul uses himself as proof....


Acts 3:23 is true...
Every soul which WILL NOT HEAR....shall be destroyed...

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not HIGHMINDED, but fear:

And just at the very bottom...

Act 3:26 KJV Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in AGAIN.

Rom 11:26-27 KJV 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
 
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watcher2013 said:
Good that you acknowledged...paul uses himself as proof....


Acts 3:23 is true...
Every soul which WILL NOT HEAR....shall be destroyed...

Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not HIGHMINDED, but fear:

And just at the very bottom...

Act 3:26 KJV Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in AGAIN.

Rom 11:26-27 KJV 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
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When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, all unbelievers were legally excommunicated from Israel. Paul's generation were the last dying off in around AD 70. The broken off continued as Pharisees under God's wrath as history clearly shows. The are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs and ethnicity.
 
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watcher2013

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Dave-L said:
When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, all unbelievers were legally excommunicated from Israel. Paul's generation were the last dying off in around AD 70. The broken off continued as Pharisees under God's wrath as history clearly shows. The are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs and ethnicity.
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Are you going to resort in fairy tale..instead of scriptural support?
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
I can see that this is confusing to you, but if you do not separate the scriptures that use the word "Israel" in them, to refer either to "the nation of Israel" or to "Jacob as Israel the church" you will never be able to understand the full knowledge of the doctrine of Jesus.
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Perhaps you need to learn the difference between the true Israel (believing natural descendents of Jacob) and Israel in general (all natural descendants of Jacob regardless of faith). Then we can discuss the difference between Israel and the Church.
 
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Dave-L said:
When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, all unbelievers were legally excommunicated from Israel. Paul's generation were the last dying off in around AD 70. The broken off continued as Pharisees under God's wrath as history clearly shows. The are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs and ethnicity.
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This is quite an offensive and anti-Semitic statement. The Lord God does not break covenant.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
This is quite an offensive and anti-Semitic statement. The Lord God does not break covenant.
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Romans 11 says he removed the unbelievers from Israel. Is Paul anti semitic? And will reattach any who have faith in Christ.
 
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Dave-L said:
Romans 11 says he removed the unbelievers from Israel. Is Paul anti semitic? And will reattach any who have faith in Christ.
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Have you ever bothered to read the whole chapter? (Romans 11) :unsure:
Because it doesn't sound like you have absorbed it's message at all.

It sounds like you are picking the bits you like so you can exclude Jews from God's plan in your own mind.
There is no excuse for anyone to persist in this level of ignorance and prejudice in The Church.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
Have you ever bothered to read the whole chapter? (Romans 11) :unsure:
Because it doesn't sound like you have absorbed it's message at all.

It sounds like you are picking the bits you like so you can exclude Jews from God's plan in your own mind.
There is no excuse for anyone to persist in this level of ignorance and prejudice in The Church.
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You are pitting your interpretation against mine... and nothing more.
 
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I'll start a thread on this topic. Most are unaware of Jewish history and the role circumcision played in it.
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Like the other thread? That you were going to put me to shame with, that NO ONE has even responded to?

it will go just like that one,

what is your issue with just plains ole sitting and discussing passages of scripture. You make ff the wall comments when someone mentions them, then you think you will go make some thread and it will enlighten everyone.

news flash man, If you can not sit and have an open discussion on one small passage no one ill lie=stern to you when you want to talk about whatever optic you are trying to push on people.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
You are pitting your interpretation against mine... and nothing more.
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well. That is what discussion is for Is it not? Is that not how we learn from each other. Or how we if we are open find out we have been led astray?

so show us in Rommans 11 the very verses that say what you claim..since it is YOUR interpretation
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Like the other thread? That you were going to put me to shame with, that NO ONE has even responded to?

it will go just like that one,

what is your issue with just plains ole sitting and discussing passages of scripture. You make ff the wall comments when someone mentions them, then you think you will go make some thread and it will enlighten everyone.

news flash man, If you can not sit and have an open discussion on one small passage no one ill lie=stern to you when you want to talk about whatever optic you are trying to push on people.
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The fact remains we all need to learn Jewish history and the role circumcision played. If you know anything about it, spell it out.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
well. That is what discussion is for Is it not? Is that not how we learn from each other. Or how we if we are open find out we have been led astray?

so show us in Rommans 11 the very verses that say what you claim..since it is YOUR interpretation
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What's your question? Be specific.
 
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Dave-L said:
The fact remains we all need to learn Jewish history and the role circumcision played. If you know anything about it, spell it out.
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The fact is

we need to study the Bible As IT is what we can trust.

most of us know what role circumcision played. You need to stop telling everyone how dumb they are, and realize that a lot of people here are not only prety up on history adGods world. but smarter than you.

your pride smells dude.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The fact is

we need to study the Bible As IT is what we can trust.

most of us know what role circumcision played. You need to stop telling everyone how dumb they are, and realize that a lot of people here are not only prety up on history adGods world. but smarter than you.

your pride smells dude.
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Define the role circumcision played.
 
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