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dcontroversal said:
He should change his name to NONlightbearer.............because what he peddles does not in any way, shape or form set forth LIGHT.......
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More trolling nonsense from you

God has said NOT ME,
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (upon one occasion only)".
(Heb 10:10 KJV)

As you know "Once for all" is ἐφάπαξ in the Greek. Strong's Lexicon in the back of his concordance concurs that it means upon one occasion only .
ἐφάπαξ
ephapax
ef-ap'-ax
From G1909 and G530; upon one occasion (only): - (at) once (for all).

GOD has said not me,

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever (not sanctified forever) them that are sanctified. WHEREOF (this perfection in which we speak) the Holy Ghost ALSO is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."


NOT SANCTIFIED forever, Sanctification can be lost as verses 26-29 put forth through God's Holy Spirit.

For GOD has said,
"For if WE (the church, including the writer) are sinning willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (those who are sinning willfully). He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ( GOD'S Law in the hearts and minds)"
(Heb 10:26-29)

WAS SANCTIFIED, Sanctification LOST because they done despite unto the Spirit of grace which they were given Because GOD has said it must be so.
 
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EleventhHour said:
And once you are His you stay His,

because Jesus inhabits the believer, imputes His righteousness, declares the believer innocent, declares the believer justified and sanctified within His grace ... a place from which the believer cannot be removed because Jesus was victorious and remains faithful.

Do you go to the "Church of Required Perpetual Belief" of something?

I would strongly advise the "Church of the Faithful, Victorious Christ" instead.
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His self sustained faith is as false as it comes and flat denies JESUS finishing and completing it in us....it is sickening and makes me think of Jehovah's witnesses that deny the deity of Christ.......it is the same.....
 
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lightbearer said:
More trolling nonsense from you

God has said NOT ME,
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (upon one occasion only)".
(Heb 10:10 KJV)

As you know "Once for all" is ἐφάπαξ in the Greek. Strong's Lexicon in the back of his concordance concurs that it means upon one occasion only .
ἐφάπαξ
ephapax
ef-ap'-ax
From G1909 and G530; upon one occasion (only): - (at) once (for all).

GOD has said not me,

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever (not sanctified forever) them that are sanctified. WHEREOF (this perfection in which we speak) the Holy Ghost ALSO is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."


NOT SANCTIFIED forever, Sanctification can be lost as verses 26-29 put forth through God's Holy Spirit.

For GOD has said,
"For if WE (the church, including the writer) are sinning willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (those who are sinning willfully). He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ( GOD'S Law in the hearts and minds)"
(Heb 10:26-29)

WAS SANCTIFIED, Sanctification LOST because they done despite unto the Spirit of grace which they were given Because GOD has said it must be so.
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You can forget it dude....you have no truth, what you peddle is pure darkness and contrary to the truth!
 
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Guojing said:
You have raised a very interesting point regarding interpretation of vs2.

I think those who are debating with you, don't see the way you see because they are trying to "harmonize" James 2 with Paul's gospel of grace.

To them, Paul and James are in total agreement so they need to somehow see James 2 in 1 Cor 15:1-4.
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More blather from the gongshow.......

Paul and James do not contradict each other pal......and the day you finally realise this truth is the day you might actually understand truth

PAUL, ROMANS -->FAITH alone justifies eternally before GOD

JAMES --> THE above FAITH can be SEEN by MEN and our claim to faith is justified before men by what we do

Until you can grasp these truths you will continue to pit James and Paul against each other and peddle the absolutely ridiculous notion that there are two different gospels.....
 
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dcontroversal said:
His one off sanctification which can be lost is not of God......pure poppycock and pure darkness is all he peddles while he devalues JESUS and the truth!
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They are absolutely words of darkness, that can never be stated enough times.
 
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posthuman said:
in 1 Corinthians 15 the context is that the apostle is tearing down the arguments of those who do not believe in the literal, physical resurrection of the dead. he explains that denying the resurrection is denying the ((singular)) gospel he declares ((v.1)), the same ((singular)) gospel he received ((v.3)) -- that Christ died for us, was buried and rose the third day ((v.4)). he explains that the implications of denying the resurrection of the dead is denying the gospel ((vv. 12-14)) -- doing so would make anyone's faith vain ((vv.2,14,17,19))

really don't think there's any 'loss of salvation' going on in this chapter. there's Paul telling people their thinking is self-contradictory and that they need to get their heads straight.
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You can try Bones, but this joker has peddled his own self sustained false gospel since day one and refuses to even be honest about who he was before when he was on this site......
 
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dcontroversal said:
More blather from the gongshow.......

Paul and James do not contradict each other pal......and the day you finally realise this truth is the day you might actually understand truth

PAUL, ROMANS -->FAITH alone justifies eternally before GOD

JAMES --> THE above FAITH can be SEEN by MEN and our claim to faith is justified before men by what we do

Until you can grasp these truths you will continue to pit James and Paul against each other and peddle the absolutely ridiculous notion that there are two different gospels.....
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I think I missed his point in that post :eek:
 
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dcontroversal said:
His one off sanctification which can be lost is not of God......pure poppycock and pure darkness is all he peddles while he devalues JESUS and the truth!
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God sanctifies us daily , sets us apart from the world to make us more like Christ...

We are justified once...

Every day we grow a little bit more , some more than others...
I have gone through seasons where I feel as if I am stuck , than suddenly all what I am learning opens up before me and I have a huge growth spurt lol , and this helps me to understand that God through His Holy Spirit is ALWAYS working in me as all of His children...
All the glory to God Amen...
...xox...
 
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Tellion said:
It is geared towards evangelism. With a special emphasis on being prepared for the resistance that "science" wants to offer. Specifically, it collaborates with Christian science specialists (not to be confused with Christian Science) to challenge evolution with observable evidence that presents itself in real time, such as the fallibility of radiometric dating, a reasonable time frame of fossilization. He's distributing this information in an area where syncretism is promoted by the "Reformed" college in the area, and boy are they reacting with hostility towards it.
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YOU said he ministry deals mainly with Genesis. So does he teach a Biblical CREATION, specifically the Six literal Earth Days to CREATE everything that exists ? ? ? Or does he teach something else.

That is supported by Scripture:

Genesis 1:5 (NKJV)
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:8 (NKJV)
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

Genesis 1:13 (NKJV)
13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.

Genesis 1:19 (NKJV)
19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23 (NKJV)
23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31 (NKJV)
31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


That also proves why the Jews believe, the start of a new day begins when the first three stars are visible in the evening near sunset.


Colossians 1:16-20 (HCSB)
16 For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
18 He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
19 For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile everything to Himself by making peace through the blood of His cross— whether things on earth or things in heaven.
 
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lightbearer said:
The following is a Fact.
"Once for all" is ἐφάπαξ in the Greek. Strong's Lexicon in the back of his concordance concurs.
ἐφάπαξ
ephapax
ef-ap'-ax
From G1909 and G530; upon one occasion (only): - (at) once (for all).

UPON ONE OCCASION, only once. NOT TO BE REPEATED
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By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (upon one occasion only, NOT TO BE REPEATED).
(Heb 10:10 KJV)


You can't prove it wrong. YOU KNOW WHY? Because it is grammatically and contextually true. GOD is very purposeful in HIS wording.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever (not sanctified forever) them that are sanctified.
Two separate things. GOD has perfected for ever THEM THAT ARE sanctified.

This perfecting is the subject of the sentence. As the next sentence starts it starts with a word that brings what follows back to the subject. WHEREOF (back to the subject in the previous sentence, this perfection in which we speak) the Holy Ghost ALSO is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."



NOT SANCTIFIED forever, Sanctification can be lost as verses 26-29 put forth through God's Holy Spirit. But God's laws put in the heart and mind is forever.

For if WE (the church, including the writer) are sinning willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (we are sanctified, a new wine skin filled with the New Wine, A new Conscience, the old purged and replaced with God's laws in the heart and mind through Christ's indwelling) there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (those who are sinning willfully). He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted (show by example, leading) the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ( GOD'S Law in the hearts and minds)
(Heb 10:26-29)

WAS SANCTIFIED, Sanctification LOST because they done despite unto the Spirit of grace which they were given.

You can't do despite unto the Spirit unless you have the Spirit.

You can speculate that the writer is not including himself in the warning and that the sanctified are not truly sanctified but as for me and my house we will believe and follow the word of of GOD.
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EleventhHour said:
Wrong, these verses do not even come close to making that assertion.

Loss of sanctification not in view.. adding that to the text!!
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Was sanctified means that they are not any more. If all they have a certain fearful looking forward to judgement and fiery indignation which SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARY (the one sinning willfully that was sanctified) They shall be devoured. If they are devoured they are not anything anymore, including sanctified.

Now the just shall live by faith: but if he (THE JUST ONE) draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Where do they draw back to?
But we are not of them (the just ones who are sinning willfully) who draw back unto destruction but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Verse 31 and 32 make it clear that the author of Hebrews is warning of temporal judgement not eternal.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the the hands of the living God."
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great flight of afflictions.
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Not true.

Verse 31 is in context to what was previously stated. And verse 32 is exhortation to remember when they were persecuted by non believers. They become companions with them who so used, they were a gazing stock as they endured a great flight of afflictions. They were companions of them that were so used (that also endured affliction and were a gazing stock). This includes the writer. We know that because right after that comment he starts his next sentence with the word "for" Which assigns a reason to what was previously stated. He says, "For they had compassion on the writer when he was in bonds and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance."


But call to remembrance the former days , in which, after ye were illuminated (when they first came to knowledge of Christ) , ye endured a great fight of afflictions; Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used (who were also a gazing stock due to the reproaches and afflictions). FOR ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if he (the just one) draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them (the just ones) who draw back unto destruction; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
(Heb 10:32-39)
 
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dcontroversal said:
You can forget it dude....you have no truth, what you peddle is pure darkness and contrary to the truth!
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Yet because it is true and you have no argument against it

You have More trolling nonsense

God has said NOT ME,
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (upon one occasion only)".
(Heb 10:10 KJV)

As you know "Once for all" is ἐφάπαξ in the Greek. Strong's Lexicon in the back of his concordance concurs that it means upon one occasion only .
ἐφάπαξ
ephapax
ef-ap'-ax
From G1909 and G530; upon one occasion (only): - (at) once (for all).

GOD has said not me,

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever (not sanctified forever) them that are sanctified. WHEREOF (this perfection in which we speak) the Holy Ghost ALSO is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."


NOT SANCTIFIED forever, Sanctification can be lost as verses 26-29 put forth through God's Holy Spirit.

For GOD has said,
"For if WE (the church, including the writer) are sinning willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (those who are sinning willfully). He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ( GOD'S Law in the hearts and minds)"
(Heb 10:26-29)

WAS SANCTIFIED, Sanctification LOST because they done despite unto the Spirit of grace which they were given. Because GOD has said it must be so.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
God sanctifies us daily , sets us apart from the world to make us more like Christ...

We are justified once...

Every day we grow a little bit more , some more than others...
I have gone through seasons where I feel as if I am stuck , than suddenly all what I am learning opens up before me and I have a huge growth spurt lol , and this helps me to understand that God through His Holy Spirit is ALWAYS working in me as all of His children...
All the glory to God Amen...
...xox...
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Sanctification is used in a dual manner my Sister.......one is instantly and eternally applied and is positional in Christ. Notice the past tense application of sanctified in Christ.....

Hebrews 10:10 - By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Colossians 3:3 - For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

The second application is ongoing in our daily life and subject to successes and or failure depending upon the application of the word of God in our life.....

True that on justification!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Sanctification is used in a dual manner my Sister.......one is instantly and eternally applied and is positional in Christ. Notice the past tense application of sanctified in Christ.....

Hebrews 10:10 - By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Colossians 3:3 - For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

The second application is ongoing in our daily life and subject to successes and or failure depending upon the application of the word of God in our life.....

True that on justification!
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That`s what I mean , it is on going , I understand what you mean , just did not explain so well lol...
...xox...
 
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lightbearer said:
Yet because it is true and you have no argument against it

You have More trolling nonsense

God has said NOT ME,
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all (upon one occasion only)".
(Heb 10:10 KJV)

As you know "Once for all" is ἐφάπαξ in the Greek. Strong's Lexicon in the back of his concordance concurs that it means upon one occasion only .
ἐφάπαξ
ephapax
ef-ap'-ax
From G1909 and G530; upon one occasion (only): - (at) once (for all).

GOD has said not me,

"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever (not sanctified forever) them that are sanctified. WHEREOF (this perfection in which we speak) the Holy Ghost ALSO is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them."


NOT SANCTIFIED forever, Sanctification can be lost as verses 26-29 put forth through God's Holy Spirit.

For GOD has said,
"For if WE (the church, including the writer) are sinning willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries (those who are sinning willfully). He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? ( GOD'S Law in the hearts and minds)"
(Heb 10:26-29)

WAS SANCTIFIED, Sanctification LOST because they done despite unto the Spirit of grace which they were given. Because GOD has said it must be so.
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You think this dream world you live in and the above argument based upon a skewed twisted nonlight argument means jack....no....the above drivel is exactly that...drivel....NO ONE is unsanctified once they have been sanctified forever genius....regardless of how many times you deceitfully twist the context of Hebrews to state such deception...mark my words nolight.....you will see and pay for the above twisted non biblical view.....
 
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