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Let's say that the contrast of true faith are those listed below. They claim to know God and work for God but their faith is not real, they are not true believers... that's what I'm calling fake faith.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Are you serious?? 
How about the entire Bible... that should be plenty of instruction.
I see nothing in that letter that would signify it is for a certain eschatological time period.
Can you give me a verse?
How about the entire Bible... that should be plenty of instruction.
I see nothing in that letter that would signify it is for a certain eschatological time period.
Can you give me a verse?
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Not justified before God as true faith. God does not need proof.
The way you worded this sounds like "God will not see your faith as "true saving faith" until you justify it by ...etc"
If this is what you're implying happened you are incorrect.
God knows who He calls, He knows who He has made new, He knows who He has SAVED by PROMISE without changing of mind.
Nothing our behavior will show Him will supprise Him. Our works can not justify our faith before God.
The way you worded this sounds like "God will not see your faith as "true saving faith" until you justify it by ...etc"
If this is what you're implying happened you are incorrect.
God knows who He calls, He knows who He has made new, He knows who He has SAVED by PROMISE without changing of mind.
Nothing our behavior will show Him will supprise Him. Our works can not justify our faith before God.
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Yes I agree, God knows all things and nothing has to be proven to him.
James 2 was written to all believers and it illustrates how true faith will be seen through the believer's works... God already knows this, this is for us.
Works salvation people don't believe that James 2 is about the justification of Abraham's faith, they believe it's about the justification of Abraham (as in Abraham was "made right" by grace and his works), but it's not about HIS justification as a person, it's about the justification of his faith.
If I tell you that I have faith, that means nothing, maybe I do or maybe I don't. But if you see my works and they line up with my faith, then you will know that my faith is real.... now my faith is JUSTIFIED as being true faith.
James 2 was written to all believers and it illustrates how true faith will be seen through the believer's works... God already knows this, this is for us.
Works salvation people don't believe that James 2 is about the justification of Abraham's faith, they believe it's about the justification of Abraham (as in Abraham was "made right" by grace and his works), but it's not about HIS justification as a person, it's about the justification of his faith.
If I tell you that I have faith, that means nothing, maybe I do or maybe I don't. But if you see my works and they line up with my faith, then you will know that my faith is real.... now my faith is JUSTIFIED as being true faith.
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Exactly!!
Ahhhh .. we agree.
We have had our disagreements I think back in the day.
Ahhhh .. we agree.
We have had our disagreements I think back in the day.
You just needed to come around.🤣
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A comedian on board..
Lol so I reworded the exact same point and we agreed.
I see your point though. There are also terms I avoid. I dislike denominations or "osas" and terms like that.
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Umm no
James speaking to a faith that justifies before men.
Meaning that inward faith is given an outward reality to people, so they can witness/see faith (which is not visible) made visible through action.
In that sense we are justified (the righteousness is seen) before men because there is congruence between our faith and our actions.
James speaking to a faith that justifies before men.
Meaning that inward faith is given an outward reality to people, so they can witness/see faith (which is not visible) made visible through action.
In that sense we are justified (the righteousness is seen) before men because there is congruence between our faith and our actions.
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