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You know Ralph I was just wondering did you reinvent yourself thinking perhaps this would add credence to your dogma of works?

Like maybe you were thinking ....

.. if I try a new more serious name they may fall for my works dogma and then I can begin my one man mission of fixing the church filled with greasy gracers"
HAHAHHAHAHHA love it.....and so true.....
 

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You absolutely do not know the truth if you think for one microsecond that the JEWS have a different covenant and or MUST have faith and some commandment keeping drivel to be saved during ANY TIME FRAME.
You deny the clear reading of Scripture. That’s on you.

Who are the ones in Revelation 14:12?
 
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Notice it's an individual's faith, Abraham's faith. After the cross, the believer is justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Huge difference. Christ's faith was not available to Abraham. In the OT, a man lived by his own faith. We live by the faith of Jesus Christ. His faith never waivers. His faith never fails.
This is so false and it is sickening.........

PAUL USES ABRAHAM and DAVID in ROMANS to identify the SAME FAITH SAVES US....

Dude, your are peddling error.....!!
 
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James is writing to the Jewish believers who were scattered abroad , those who believed in Jesus , and his letter is also shown to us as how we should live our lives in Christ...

Many Jewish believers from all the tribes were scattered...
Rose gets it.........keep swinging sis against this drivel that the book of James is written to tribulation JEWS of Revelation and they are instructed to KEEP the Commandments in order to be justified......it is pure poppycock <--a WORD you will understand
 

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This is so false and it is sickening.........

PAUL USES ABRAHAM and DAVID in ROMANS to identify the SAME FAITH SAVES US....

Dude, your are peddling error.....!!
I’ll go to the Scriptures. Whose faith is being spoken of here? The faith of Christ.

Galatians 3
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Before whose faith came?
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. The faith of Christ
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. After whose faith is come?
 
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Are you serious?? o_O

How about the entire Bible... that should be plenty of instruction.

I see nothing in that letter that would signify it is for a certain eschatological time period.

Can you give me a verse?
The Jewish believers during the 1st century A.D.......especially when Rome decimates Jerusalem..........but hey.....let's just ignore the truth and make up some Ricardo Monteban Fantasy Island religious view and then peddle it as truth.

And Saul was there consenting to his killing. And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria.
 
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Then please, with your extensive seminary knowledge, who is the scripture speaking of in Revelation 14:12? Search the commentaries.
I could care less what commentaries say......the group addressed in JAMES was the JEWS scattered when Stephen was stoned to death and persecution was level'ed at the CHURCH In JERUSALEM which contained devout MEN (JEWS) from all 12 tribes and 17 different regions....USE your head man, and lose the commentaries and false notions....

And Saul was there consenting to his killing. And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria.
 

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The Jewish believers during the 1st century A.D.......especially when Rome decimates Jerusalem..........but hey.....let's just ignore the truth and make up some Ricardo Monteban Fantasy Island religious view and then peddle it as truth.
You do know this occurs after James was written.😂
 

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I could care less what commentaries say......the group addressed in JAMES was the JEWS scattered when Stephen was stoned to death and persecution was level'ed at the CHURCH In JERUSALEM which contained devout MEN (JEWS) from all 12 tribes and 17 different regions....USE your head man, and lose the commentaries and false notions....

And Saul was there consenting to his killing. And on that day a great persecution arose against the church in Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria.
The entire nation of Israel scattered? That’s the twelve tribes. It couldn’t mean Jewish Christians since there are no twelve tribes in the body of Christ.😉
 

John146

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why believe something that is false and not supported by scripture like the above bold'ed.....no such thing!
Is the following Church doctrine?

James 5
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Not might save the sick, shall save the sick. Really? If we elders pray over the sick they will be healed every time? And their sins forgiven through someone else’s prayer? Signs and miracles back into play during the tribulation.
 
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You do know this occurs after James was written.😂
Paul watching Stephen being stoned and the IMMEDIATE persecution happen'ed in 36 A.D. GENIUS and JAMES was written (48-50) AFTER they were persecuted and scattered.........BUT would also APPLY to the JEWS scattered in 70 as well....

You can forget arguing JOHN....you are wrong....end of story...I can support my view by the above dates, by the use of the phrase THE FAITH of JESUS CHRIST our LORD, the TRIAL of YOUR FAITH and so on and so forth....YOU have nothing but supposition, and a view gleaned from commentaries.....
 

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Paul watching Stephen being stoned and the IMMEDIATE persecution happen'ed in 36 A.D. GENIUS and JAMES was written (48-50) AFTER they were persecuted and scattered......
You know that’s not what was in question. Nice try though. Was the entire nation scattered at the stoning of Steven? The twelve tribes is the whole nation. There are no tribes in the body of Christ.
 

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Rose gets it.........keep swinging sis against this drivel that the book of James is written to tribulation JEWS of Revelation and they are instructed to KEEP the Commandments in order to be justified......it is pure poppycock <--a WORD you will understand
Rose has a simple and direct way of sharing truth in love.

Definitely a joy to have her around.
 

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Paul watching Stephen being stoned and the IMMEDIATE persecution happen'ed in 36 A.D. GENIUS and JAMES was written (48-50) AFTER they were persecuted and scattered.........BUT would also APPLY to the JEWS scattered in 70 as well....

You can forget arguing JOHN....you are wrong....end of story...I can support my view by the above dates, by the use of the phrase THE FAITH of JESUS CHRIST our LORD, the TRIAL of YOUR FAITH and so on and so forth....YOU have nothing but supposition, and a view gleaned from commentaries.....
Still no answer for Revelation 14:12? James 5 and the healing of sick?
 
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"Yep, she's a Christian. I saw her give to the poor. She is justified in my sight."

Do you see how ridiculous this is? Can you really determine who is saved by their good works?
You must disagree with most of the bible including JESUS....your colors are coming out man.....

BY THEIR FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM...........do you agree with the guy that said this? I say guy because you obviously reject his words as the mere words of a man