Are you completely Born again????

[watcher2013]

You stop deleting most of my posts or I will stop replying to your nonsense.


Adam sinned because he directly went against Gods command, he was not decieved but joined in with Eve after she was beguiled. We can argue as to why but that is weak and fruitless without him being present.


Christ died and overcame death to that by one many might be saved.


Sure, it's brought up a few times.


12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

In short..
Adam disobey God and brought Death..
Christ obey God unto death and brought life...
so what is baptism..
its obedience that you believed.

 

[watcher2013]

You are so blinded by your youtube videos.🤦‍♂️

You don't understand what water baptism is.

have you watch it..fully?

 

[OneOfHis]

In short..
Adam disobey God and brought Death..
Christ obey God unto death and brought life...
so what is baptism..
its obedience that you believed.

No, it is an act of obedience to show the world.

God knows if you believe wether or not you ever get baptized.

 

[watcher2013]

It was garbage. You pointed to a 40+ minute youtube video. Sorry buddy, that is not a response.

I can send you 100 links. Does not mean a thing.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

When we are going to received this spiritual body?

 

[OneOfHis]

have you watch it..fully?

Not even one second of that man made doctrine. If you believe what's in that video it is enough for me to know it is wrong already.

 

[mailmandan]

A fisherman said...
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act_2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
what is there to confuse about?

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

Acts 2:41 - Then they that gladly received his word were (afterwards) baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

 

[watcher2013]

No, it is an act of obedience to show the world.

Who said to show the world????
you just need one...a baptizer....

God knows if you believe wether or not you ever get baptized.

The baptizer cannot know if you truly repent when you are baptise..but you can confess you belief like what the eunuch did...and so baptism can be performed.

 

[watcher2013]

Not even one second of that man made doctrine. If you believe what's in that video it is enough for me to know it is wrong already.

its unfair to say its garbage when you havent watch even a second...especially for someone who knows about the faith...

 

[OneOfHis]

Who said to show the world????
you just need one...a baptizer....


The baptizer cannot know if you truly repent when you are baptise..but you can confess you belief like what the eunuch did...and so baptism can be performed.

Ok. Your english may be where I am seeing so much error.

Let's step back.



Do you believe a man can be saved without ever being water baptized.

 

[OneOfHis]

its unfair to say its garbage when you havent watch even a second...especially for someone who knows about the faith...

if it teaches water baptism is being born of water

the person doesnt know about "the faith"

 

[watcher2013]

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

Acts 2:41 - Then they that gladly received his word were (afterwards) baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand.

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women.

Of all those who believed..were they baptized?

 

[watcher2013]

if it teaches water baptism is being born of water

the person doesnt know about "the faith"

compare to Physical birth???
which Jesus said You mUSt (Future-requirement)..be born of water and spirit

 

[mailmandan]

Of all those who believed..were they baptized?

Yes, they were baptized AFTER they believed and were saved.

 

[OneOfHis]

compare to Physical birth???
which Jesus said You mUSt (Future-requirement)..be born of water and spirit

False assumption.

There is 0 evidence of that and much evidence against it.

If a cop pulled you over and said "Before you turn you must use your signal" he is saying that everyone who needs to make a turn NEEDS to use the signal.

Past present future.


Your false religion seems to suggest no one was saved before baptism?


Seth can't enter Gods kingdom because he wasnt water baptized?

You are speaking crazy nonsense.


ALL have been born of water, but to enter GODS kingdom we must be born of the spirit.

 

[watcher2013]

Ok. Your english may be where I am seeing so much error.

Let's step back.



Do you believe a man can be saved without ever being water baptized.

a man who is not baptized is not a believer...so no,..he cannot see enter the kingdom of god

 

[watcher2013]

Yes, they were baptized AFTER they believed and were saved.

as in the video...
repentance...believing that Jesus is the Son of God..and believing every word peter said at the house of cornelius...is the criteria for baptism

 

[OneOfHis]

a man who is not baptized is not a believer...so no,..he cannot see enter the kingdom of god

You assume the thief on the cross was baptized?


Lets say a man about to die hears the gospel but cant move... oh welp for him its too late... no time to be born of water.🤦‍♂️


Your false religion of man is nonsense and far from God.


Water baptism isnt birth.

 

[watcher2013]

False assumption.

There is 0 evidence of that and much evidence against it.

If a cop pulled you over and said "Before you turn you must use your signal" he is saying that everyone who needs to make a turn NEEDS to use the signal.

Past present future.

i know english is not my first language..."Before you turn you must use your signal" It sounds future isn't? "and everyone needs" not only future but a need (requirement)

Your false religion seems to suggest no one was saved before baptism?


Seth can't enter Gods kingdom because he wasnt water baptized?

You are speaking crazy nonsense.


ALL have been born of water, but to enter GODS kingdom we must be born of the spirit.

that is the problem when you did not watch the video and start saying garbage...
The video...shows that criteria before a person get baptized.

 

[OneOfHis]

i know english is not my first language..."Before you turn you must use your signal" It sounds future isn't? "and everyone needs" not only future but a need (requirement)



that is the problem when you did not watch the video and start saying garbage...
The video...shows that criteria before a person get baptized.

Wrong. Youre talking about crazy nonsense.


It is not biblical.

The simplicity of Christ is so pure a child can understand it.

No one needs some crazy whack job to tell them how to properly be baptized for 40 minutes.


You are blind and decieved and I pray God opens your eyes.


Right now you trust in the works of man for salvation.


I will continue to follow scripture and trust in Christ.

 

[OneOfHis]

i know english is not my first language..."Before you turn you must use your signal"

Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


(EXCEPT a man be BORN not dipped in water AGAIN as in a second time REFERRING TO THE FIRST BIRTH HE cannot SEE the kingdom of God never having a quickened spirit)



"born of water" is = to "born of flesh"....


3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

(Jesus is using physical birth as an earthly example to help the spiritually blind nicodemus see His point)

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

(again Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus about being born of flesh two times)

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(still speaking of brith and trying to relate the two.... born of water = anatomical fluid =born of flesh and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

(again further explaining the two births.... born of flesh/born of water = natural birth Spirit = born of God)


7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again......