A Distinction Between Tongues

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Dave-L said:
No spiritual faith beyond scripture. Only sinful flesh belief remains.
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your knowledge of the bible did not save you Jesus does.
 
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But, scripture does not support Pentecostal claims. As I am setting out to prove.
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the scripture supports the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which pentecostal do claim :)
 
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Here's what bites you. Paul says those who speak in tongues edify themselves (understand what they are saying). But they must interpret so others can understand and be edified. They, unlike today, understood what they were saying.
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Paul does not say they understand what they are saying. This is your opinion of the verse.

God provides edification to an individual via their spirit. Notice "he utters mysteries with his spirit." 1 Cor 14.

"For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit."

Notice Paul's words in 1 Cor 14:15 where he makes a distinction between praying in the spirit and praying with his understanding: "I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
 
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as the word of God says there were more.

Five to be exact 2:1-4, Acts 4:28-31, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 10:44 and Acts 19:6. Not two but Five not all by the lying of of hands but as the Holy Spirit desired. Just as 1cor 12 says and Jesus in Mark 16 and in John 14 - 16
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You are ignoring the constraints and adding to scripture.
 
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The gifts are part of being an Apostle. Paul received the gifts when Jesus made him an apostle. Ananias ministered to him but had no authority to administer the gifts.

The Holy Spirit administered the gifts only through an apostle's hand's or in the two outpourings.
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As mentioned, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost which God imparted to Paul by Ananias is separate and distinctive from receiving Spiritual gifts, ie, prophesy, healing, tongues and interpretation, etc.

One - God gives mankind the gift of the Holy Ghost
Two - God distributes Spiritual gifts to mankind once they are indwelt with the Holy Ghost
 
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the scripture supports the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which pentecostal do claim :)
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If they had even one gift, it would be headline worldwide news.
 
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If they had even one gift, it would be headline worldwide news.
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Clearly because you are the sole authenticator of what the Holy Spirit can do today. LOL

hahahahaha
 
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Wansvic said:
Paul does not say they understand what they are saying. This is your opinion of the verse.

God provides edification to an individual via their spirit. Notice "he utters mysteries with his spirit." 1 Cor 14.

"For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit."

Notice Paul's words in 1 Cor 14:15 where he makes a distinction between praying in the spirit and praying with his understanding: "I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
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If you spoke in tongues, you would be hearing new scripture and understanding it. consider you are not. https://www.dana.org/article/speaking-in-tongues-glossolalia-and-stress-reduction/
 
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Clearly because you are the sole authenticator of what the Holy Spirit can do today. LOL

hahahahaha
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Go raise some dead people and then claim you have the gifts.
 
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You are ignoring the constraints and adding to scripture.
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OK you can make all the assertion you like

2:1-4, Acts 4:28-31, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 10:44 and Acts 19:6.

please show where in these above verses in the book of Acts I have added? IF you can't then you are misleading and untruthful too .
 
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Wansvic said:
As mentioned, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost which God imparted to Paul by Ananias is separate and distinctive from receiving Spiritual gifts, ie, prophesy, healing, tongues and interpretation, etc.

One - God gives mankind the gift of the Holy Ghost
Two - God distributes Spiritual gifts to mankind once they are indwelt with the Holy Ghost
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God distributed the Gifts through the Apostle's hands. And the two outpourings. You add to scripture when you go beyond this.
 
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that is false narrative and unbiblical no-one here has evensugested that when person speaks in tongues is " New Scripture "

LOL you do not know what you are talking about
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This is what we see today. They raised the dead and healed twisted limbs with the real gifts.
 
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OK you can make all the assertion you like

2:1-4, Acts 4:28-31, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 10:44 and Acts 19:6.

please show where in these above verses in the book of Acts I have added? IF you can't then you are misleading and untruthful too .
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By saying the gifts came in other ways than through an Apostle's hands or through the two outpourings.
 
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Go raise some dead people and then claim you have the gifts.
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There is no gift of raising the dead. That is not even mentioned in 1cor 12 through 14. Jesus said these sign will follow those that believe. I have seen God raised the dead in prayer. But only and adulterous Generation says prove it by doing or performing an act of power so I can prove the power of God is still working today. LOL that is an atheist talking point LOl.
 
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Wansvic said:
Why insist on believing something aside from the actual God-inspired word? The word makes it clear how God indwells His people and the miraculous ways He equips them to help others come to know Him.

Spending more time in the Word is a sure remedy for becoming deceived.
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Because God's word does not support today's claims for the gifts.
 
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There is no gift of raising the dead. That is not even mentioned in 1cor 12 through 14. Jesus said these sign will follow those that believe. I have seen God raised the dead in prayer. But only and adulterous Generation says prove it by doing or performing an act of power so I can prove the power of God is still working today. LOL that is an atheist talking point LOl.
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Tongues and healing and miracles are all part of the gifts. They raised the dead. Healed twisted limbs, and worked many miracles to be seen. Nothing like that today.
 
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