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They have been happening since ad 70, As daniel was told. after the city is destroyed,

the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

I believe these are the same events Jesus spoke of.
The people of the Prince was Babylon, nebuchadnezzar they came in to destroyed the sanctuary & Jewusalem.
 

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I don't know who any of the beasts are. Maybe the first one was the Jews and the second is the Catholic church, not saying that's so. I have never really delved into the beasts that much, there are too many other things in the bible that are crystal clear to help me learn more.

I don't believe in a man called "The Antichrist", it's nowhere to be found in the bible. Is the man of sin, the son of perdition the antichrist... I don't know, there's not enough evidence to conclude one way or another in my opinion.

The second beast. Given the powers of false miracles. The beast given all the power of the first beast who will be a false christ.

The one said to COMMIT the abomination of desolation.
 

John146

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#83
Where does rapture fit into your ideals ?
When the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, the gathering of the body of Christ. This gathering occurs then begins the 7 years of Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week.
 
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Hear @KJV1611
Are you saying that Jesus has already come in the clouds?...
I'm just regurgitating what the bible says. Jesus told the high priest that he would see Jesus coming in the clouds... so unless Jesus is making a stop over in hell at the same time he comes again, then it already happened.

Here's another one for you.

Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Jesus, speaking to twelve disciples said, you twelve will not have gone to all the cities of Israel BEFORE the Son of man comes. There's only one event that Jesus could be referring to and that's his resurection and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints along with him.
 

John146

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Second part. If Jesus doesn't return until his second coming, and it's after the 1000 year reign, then you have to believe that Christ returns TWICE.
The second coming of Christ IS His 1,000 year reign, not after.
 

John146

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#88
It's talking about the house of Israel as in a group of people, not a physical building. God poured out his wrath on the Jews and the temple in AD 70, did he not?
How did God pour out His wrath in 70 ad?
 
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#89
This is off context
daniel the desolation and wars occurs after the temple is deatroyed. Not after Jesus said it is finished

The temple lost all its unseen understanding of faith as a abomination when he said; It is finished . It could no more deceive the nations. The veil rent was all that was needed to show. stones laying around 70 years added not age to the timing. There are some today that do not recognize the torn veil that cry out to a remnant of lifeless stones. . the abomination of desolation .
 

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When does Matthew 24 go future?
Everything is not totally sequential, but from verse 15 onwards we see the future events until the Second Coming of Christ (to verse 31). The Great Tribulation is a totally unique event, and the shaking of the heavens and the earth (which follow immediately) are yet to come.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall [1] the sun be darkened, and [2] the moon shall not give her light, and [3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and [4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (verse 29)
 
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His "RETURN" (what is called "His Second Coming" to the earth) is at:

Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5

and that ^ is parallel with the FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in Isaiah 24:21-22[23], which is followed by a TIME-PERIOD (in that Isaiah text) before the SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (of that text) is then carried out.

This means that Revelation and Isaiah 24 both AGREE that there is a "time-period" which FOLLOWS His Second Coming to the earth point-in-time (Rev19), and intervening BETWEEN the LATER GWTj point-in-time (Rev20:11-15).

(This doesn't make Him "RETURN" to the earth twice.)

It (this SEQUENCE) agrees with many other passages, I won't go into here in this post.



[IOW, you are mis-labeling and mis-defining the phrase "His Second Coming" which is also "His RETURN" to the earth, in Rev19--a time-period FOLLOWS this]
There are so many views on this that it's hard to keep them straight. In your view is the 1000 year reign in between the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the second coming?
 

John146

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Jesus does come back twice he comes at his second coming then he comes when the city comes down and sits down on earth
Never said He did. I agree with you. At His second coming, Jesus judges the earth and sits on the throne of David to rule and reign 1,000 years on the earth.
 
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The second beast. Given the powers of false miracles. The beast given all the power of the first beast who will be a false christ.

The one said to COMMIT the abomination of desolation.
Why is it an abomination of desolation to sacrifice a pig in temple that God cares absolutely nothing about but it's not an abominiation of desolation to kill your own Savior?
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I know you can't see this, but the purpose of Jacobs trouble was to separate the wheat from the chaff. The wheat, Christ gathered into his barn, the church. The chaff, he burnt in the fire of AD 70.

The WHOLE end times scenario in the bible is about the END OF ISRAEL, […]
I get what you are saying. Consider this: I made a post showing how "the 144,000" are "firstfruit" of the "WHEAT harvest" (the SECOND of TWO mentions of "firstfruit" in Leviticus 23... this one being in v.17).

This then would go into the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period I mentioned in my first post in this thread; where I am endeavoring to show that the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time-period is kicked off by:

-- the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" which is parallel (equal to) SEAL #1 (Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' ['a certain one' bringing deception]"), which is also the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord" time-period Paul covers in 1 and 2Th... and the SEQUENCE issues in BOTH of those passages are the same: our Rapture PRECEDES "the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period (with its "man of sin" [and ALL he will do] and its "judgments" unfolding).



My thought is, that your view makes "the 144,000" to have existed in the first century (I'm guessing "symbolically" somehow); but this seems to disregard the SEQUENCE issues shown to exist between the Olivet Discourse texts:

Do you agree that Matt24:4-8 EQUALS Mk13:5-8 EQUALS Lk21:8-11, and then that v.12 says, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE" (but BEFORE all these BEGINNING of birth PANGS, just listed) that the 70ad events of vv.12-24a MUST take place??

This means that the BoBPs come AFTER the 70ad events. How is that explained in your view??
 
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The second coming of Christ IS His 1,000 year reign, not after.
My bad, I thought you had the second coming after the 1000 year reign in your timeline.

(Amo 8:2) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

When does Amos 8:2 take place in your opinion?
 

John146

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There are so many views on this that it's hard to keep them straight. In your view is the 1000 year reign in between the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the second coming?
Maybe it would be beneficial for everyone to display a timeline. Here's the way I see it. Then we can discuss the Scripture references for each. Yes?

1. The gathering up of the Church, the body of Christ (fullness of the Gentiles be come in)
2. 7 years tribulation, Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week
3. The second coming of Christ as Judge and King of the earth for 1,000 years
4. Battle of Meggido
5. GWTJ
6 New heavens and new earth
 
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Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

When do the verses above take place, during the tribulation or at the 2nd coming of Christ or some other time?
Does Matthew 24 Recapitulate?

First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-14

Second division. The Great Tribulation, Jerusalem’s destruction fulfilled in 70 AD. Matthew 24:15–22

Third division; After Jerusalem's destruction (Jewish Great Tribulation). Christian focus continues. Christian Tribulation until the end. Matthew 24:23–28

Fourth division; Earth's final days 29-51

This is also seen in the Mark 13 and Luke 17 parallel accounts.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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There are so many views on this that it's hard to keep them straight. In your view is the 1000 year reign in between the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the second coming?
His Second Coming (to the earth) is Rev19, which is parallel (time-wise) with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22[23].

The SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (following the TIME-PERIOD Isaiah 24 said would FOLLOW the FIRST "PUNISH" word [of TWO]) aligns with the LATER "GWTj" (which is NOT defined as "His Second Coming [to the earth]").




SO... I'm saying that "the end of the trib" IS "His Second Coming [to the earth]" and that is FOLLOWED by "a time-period" before the LATER GWTj takes place. (You are conflating two distinct points of time)
 
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When the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, the gathering of the body of Christ. This gathering occurs then begins the 7 years of Jacob's trouble, Daniel's 70th week.
Jesus tells us the resurrection is the last day. How are you gauging time past the last day?