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OneOfHis

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Why is it an abomination of desolation to sacrifice a pig in temple that God cares absolutely nothing about but it's not an abominiation of desolation to kill your own Savior?

but... that doesn't answer me at all...😅

You believe this second beast was who?

if you flip a question back at me it doesn't help me understand your beliefs

we already agreed to disagree

i... just dont see how some things are possible from what i know as you are describing your beliefs so i am asking questions...



you hold no claim to understanding the second beast given the powers of false miracles who is said to claim to be Christ?
 

bud62

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Yes, "house" is usually a term designated to Israel.
The obamanation that make it desolate was when Babylon came in on the holy ground around the temple which was the courtyard they were not post to be on the holy of ground around the temple,
 

bud62

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but... that doesn't answer me at all...😅

You believe this second beast was who?

if you flip a question back at me it doesn't help me understand your beliefs

we already agreed to disagree

i... just dont see how some things are possible from what i know as you are describing your beliefs so i am asking questions...



you hold no claim to understanding the second beast given the powers of false miracles who is said to claim to be Christ?
The pig is a unclean animal And still is,
 

John146

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The obamanation that make it desolate was when Babylon came in on the holy ground around the temple which was the courtyard they were not post to be on the holy of ground around the temple,
Did you say Obama nation? :D
 

KJV1611

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Everything is not totally sequential, but from verse 15 onwards we see the future events until the Second Coming of Christ (to verse 31). The Great Tribulation is a totally unique event, and the shaking of the heavens and the earth (which follow immediately) are yet to come.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall [1] the sun be darkened, and [2] the moon shall not give her light, and [3] the stars shall fall from heaven, and [4] the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (verse 29)
I guess I don't understand why it has to go future, I assume it's because the verse talks about the sun be darkened and the moon not giving her light.

I mean do you really believe that literal stars that are thousands of times more massive than earth are going to fall from heaven? Why take something so far fetched literally when we know the bible uses those same terms figuratively? The nation of Israel is represented by the sun, moon and stars, why wouldn't those verse be talking about them, seeing that they literally did fall from heaven when God took the kingdom from them.
 

John146

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My bad, I thought you had the second coming after the 1000 year reign in your timeline.

(Amo 8:2) And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

When does Amos 8:2 take place in your opinion?
I'm sure Awataukee will pipe in when he can. He has many things to say about the end times.
 

bud62

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Never said He did. I agree with you. At His second coming, Jesus judges the earth and sits on the throne of David to rule and reign 1,000 years on the earth.
the 1000 year reign will be in heaven not on earth
 

John146

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I guess I don't understand why it has to go future, I assume it's because the verse talks about the sun be darkened and the moon not giving her light.

I mean do you really believe that literal stars that are thousands of times more massive than earth are going to fall from heaven? Why take something so far fetched literally when we know the bible uses those same terms figuratively? The nation of Israel is represented by the sun, moon and stars, why wouldn't those verse be talking about them, seeing that they literally did fall from heaven when God took the kingdom from them.
Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Did this happen yet? Doesn't this go along with Matthew 24? I believe when the Lord returns, all eyes will see Him. The entire earth will be darkened. His circuit will be like the sun, going east to west, and all eyes will behold him.
 

garee

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How did God pour out His wrath in 70 ad?
A continuation of the wrath he began pouring out in the garden. . . in dying you wil die and your spiritless bodies will return to the dust. The same wrath he is revealing today. A aging, dying, deappearing creation headed for total destruction .

Not was revealed but is revealed.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Which is. Placing the things made in the place of the unseen things of God. God is invisible having no DNA. He alone is the Faithfull Creator who by a work of his faith or a labor of his love said: let there be a rudiment of this earth. . . . and there was a great circle.

We walk by the unsen eternal not after what the eyes see the temporal. That way when he does come he will find the faith connection. Some will be walking by sight after experience as if experience a was the measure of faith and not it as it is written. The have you every been experienced false gospel is on the rise. even in the Christian circles.

Makes me wonder will the last that are trusting in a faith of their owns selves already risen? Its the end of time?

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
 

KJV1611

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His Second Coming (to the earth) is Rev19, which is parallel (time-wise) with the FIRST of the TWO "PUNISH" words in Isa24:21-22[23].

The SECOND of the TWO "PUNISH" words (following the TIME-PERIOD Isaiah 24 said would FOLLOW the FIRST "PUNISH" word [of TWO]) aligns with the LATER "GWTj" (which is NOT defined as "His Second Coming [to the earth]").




SO... I'm saying that "the end of the trib" IS "His Second Coming [to the earth]" and that is FOLLOWED by "a time-period" before the LATER GWTj takes place. (You are conflating two distinct points of time)
I'm trying to understand where you put the millennial reign.
 

KJV1611

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but... that doesn't answer me at all...😅

You believe this second beast was who?

if you flip a question back at me it doesn't help me understand your beliefs

we already agreed to disagree

i... just dont see how some things are possible from what i know as you are describing your beliefs so i am asking questions...



you hold no claim to understanding the second beast given the powers of false miracles who is said to claim to be Christ?
Sorry I thought I had answered you before about the second beast. I don't know what it is. Who is it? And where does the bible say he claims to be Christ?
 

bud62

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I guess I don't understand why it has to go future, I assume it's because the verse talks about the sun be darkened and the moon not giving her light.

I mean do you really believe that literal stars that are thousands of times more massive than earth are going to fall from heaven? Why take something so far fetched literally when we know the bible uses those same terms figuratively? The nation of Israel is represented by the sun, moon and stars, why wouldn't those verse be talking about them, seeing that they literally did fall from heaven when God took the kingdom from them.
Pigs are good to eat though.👌
NOT in cording to what the BIBLE says , It says, not even to touch their dead carcass .
 

KJV1611

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I'm sure Awataukee will pipe in when he can. He has many things to say about the end times.
I'm pretty sure he has me on ignore lol.

It's straight forward verses like in Amos that lead us to truth. Amos is clear that earthly Jerusalem and the Jewish people would come to an end. One reason there is so much confusion around end times is because people don't recognize that it's the end times of the nation of Israel.

If the last days were the last days of earth, why would the writer of Acts say that those were the last days?

Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Peter called his time the last days, so did Paul and James. They knew it was the last days for the kingdom of Israel.
 
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It's talking about the house of Israel as in a group of people, not a physical building. God poured out his wrath on the Jews and the temple in AD 70, did he not?
That’s an opinion

I disagree

And I also disagree 70AD. This is a future event
 

KJV1611

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Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Did this happen yet? Doesn't this go along with Matthew 24? I believe when the Lord returns, all eyes will see Him. The entire earth will be darkened. His circuit will be like the sun, going east to west, and all eyes will behold him.
I think Psalm 19 is about the Mazarroth isn't it? The gospel written in the stars.
 

OneOfHis

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Sorry I thought I had answered you before about the second beast. I don't know what it is. Who is it? And where does the bible say he claims to be Christ?
Oh my apologies the antichrist or second beast himself is said to speak great blasphemy and do false miracles the many anti christs may come in His name and said "i am Christ"


I got drawn away from my initial questions to you about revelation 13 and 14 and mixed them in my head with matthews.


I see this second beast as who daniel spoke of.....
 

KJV1611

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Oh my apologies the antichrist or second beast himself is said to speak great blasphemy and the many anti christs may come in His name and said "i am Christ"


I got drawn away from my initial questions to you about revelation 13 and 14 and mixed them in my head with matthews.


I see this second beast as who daniel spoke of.....
To me the beasts are to vague to get any info out of.