End Times Timeline

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

When Rachel was weeping for her children, Isreal,had not yet been scattered because of their sin, they had not yet been defeated, not yet been seperated. they were not yet sent to foreign countries, and enslaved

again, there are words in the passage that can not be taken in Rachel’s day. So,your still ignoring the passage

bud62 · Feb 11, 2020

eternally-gratefull said:

It tells us that it was the ordinances against us. COL 2:14 not all Moses handwriting was nail to the cross.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

OneOfHis said:

Hey now, leave my bacon alone!

John146 · Feb 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

I can't go any further with that. All of those verse about God regathering Israel and saving Jacob happened at the time when Rachel was weeping for her children.

It's also the same time that Gods busted Esau's yoke off of Jacob's neck. Esau represents the bad Jews, Jacob represents the good Jews. All of that happened when Christ came the first time.

Rachel has wept, she's not going to weep again. Jacob is freed from the bondage of Esau, he's not ever going to be yoked to him again.

If you believe all that has occurred, what period are we in now? Will Christ ever come again?

KJV1611 · Feb 11, 2020

OneOfHis said:

I see you like to push the limits lol.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

bud62 said:

All of moses handwritings were against us, we were required to obey them all

as paul said, if your going to even be circumcised your indebed to obey the whole law

bud62 · Feb 11, 2020

OneOfHis said:

Study the BIBLE on what it says , And stand on it , But we got to remember Satan is a deceiver, And he trying to get us twisted up and not understand what it is really trying to telling us.

OneOfHis · Feb 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

1 Corinthians 8
Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.

2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.

8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.

10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
______

I just don't feel convicted at all of pork or any food for that matter so long as I am not a glutton and take care of my body and appreciate what God provides.

OneOfHis · Feb 11, 2020

bud62 said:

Cmon, don't be like that I have studied the bible. Please don't act as if I haven't.

Do you or do you not believe it is ok to eat meat sacrificed unto idols?

The bible tells me it is ok because there is one God and I am not convicted.

If you agree with scripture then you agree with me or have a weak conscience. That being said you are also not WRONG and ought to follow what God puts on your heart.

If you came over for dinner, we could eat some lox and potato pancakes.

TheDivineWatermark · Feb 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

I disagree with your conclusion, and here is a part of the reason why:

I do not believe Jesus is here saying "you, the high priest [singular], will see [...etc...]".

The wording (which I've enlarged in your quote) actually shows as the following:

--"THOU/YOU [SINGULAR] hast/have said" (THIS IS speaking of what the guy [singular] just said); THEN

--[Jesus continues] "nevertheless I say unto YOU [PLURAL], Hereafter [/from now] YOU [PLURAL] shall see the Son of man [1] sitting on the right hand of power, and [2] coming in the clouds of heaven." [<--that second one, I believe, often refers to "judgment"]

So, a few things to note about this passage:

--the distinct SINGULAR, and then PLURAL "you"... [think: the "proleptic 'you'"]

--ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" (see in your quote ^ above) passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth (to judge and to reign)

--the two aspects "1 & 2" do follow on from His first century Cross, but when viewing the other passages informing us of the details regarding the "chronology," we can see that this takes place over a vast amount of time (rather than merely the events surrounding 70ad). Again, keeping the "proleptic 'you'" and "PLURAL 'you'" (2 of the 3x in this verse) in mind.

Presently, He is in heaven (1), then the other aspect (2) will occur... and this is what Acts 3:21 is saying, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [all of the (remaining) OT prophecies... which are not, as of yet, fully fulfilled, but WILL BE!]

KJV1611 · Feb 11, 2020

eternally-gratefull said:

There was like 400 years of silence, no prophecies, no info on what happened to Israel during that time. The Greeks and the Egyptians dominated Israel from like 330 B.C. until 198 B.C. Then the Greek Syrians took control of Israel and then eventually Rome took them. All of that and none of it mentioned in the bible.

I'm not going to ignore the two key signs (Rachel and the yoke) and ASSUME that Israel was living hunky dory lives in the promised land for all those years. I'm not here to change your mind, I'm here to get the nuggets like the one you helped me with.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

yep and all of that goes right along with prophecy,

isreal was never completely restored after babylon, they were restored but still were prety much under gentile dominion,

they were not even really scattered in Babylon. Many remained in israel

it was not until rome they were completely scatted,

the Babylonian return does not satisfy the requirements,

yet you will ignore that God scattered the,

you ignore that god will bring them together and make them one

you ignore when he does it he will punish the nations who keep them

and you ignore that at that time, they will serve god and the king God gives them

it does not fit Rachel and does not fit the 400 years.

i a, just telling you why I can not see it as you say[/quote][/QUOTE]

bud62 · Feb 11, 2020

eternally-gratefull said:

You need to study that a little more . He tell you in verse 10:28 what GOD was talking about ,And HE was talking about a Man ,That GOD had cleansed, not to call him unclean ,Not unclean animals, He just used them to show him what it was, or to help him to see.

KJV1611 · Feb 11, 2020

John146 said:

Well Paul says he's coming again so I believe he will come again and he said that after Christ had risen from the dead. I don't know what period we're in, I don't have things divided up. All I know is that when Christ came back from the dead, he came in his power and glory and the kingdom of God came Just like Jesus said it would.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

I live in that kingdom right now, heavenly Jerusalem. I do believe that this world will end and Christ will return but I have no understanding of how it goes down.... I wish I did.

UnoiAmarah · Feb 11, 2020

OneOfHis said:

Lol, kinda like salvation. Ye worship ye know not what: ......................: for salvation is of the Jews.
John 4:22

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

bud62 said:

You need to remove yourself from law and start learning to just live your christian life in a way you serve others more than yourself

bud62 · Feb 11, 2020

OneOfHis said:

Just go read it again Acts 10:28 it tells us what he was saying: I do not care how much we read , we are to keep learning, And if we think we know it all, I believe it says that we know nothing.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 11, 2020

bud62 said:

why are you telling us this, you should be practicing this yourself

KJV1611 · Feb 11, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

I disagree with your conclusion, and here is a part of the reason why:

I do not believe Jesus is here saying "you, the high priest [singular], will see [...etc...]".

The wording (which I've enlarged in your quote) actually shows as the following:

--"THOU/YOU [SINGULAR] hast/have said" (THIS IS speaking of what the guy [singular] just said); THEN

--[Jesus continues] "nevertheless I say unto YOU [PLURAL], Hereafter [/from now] YOU [PLURAL] shall see the Son of man [1] sitting on the right hand of power, and [2] coming in the clouds of heaven." [<--that second one, I believe, often refers to "judgment"]

So, a few things to note about this passage:

--the distinct SINGULAR, and then PLURAL "you"... [think: the "proleptic 'you'"]

--ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" (see in your quote ^ above) passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth (to judge and to reign)

--the two aspects "1 & 2" do follow on from His first century Cross, but when viewing the other passages informing us of the details regarding the "chronology," we can see that this takes place over a vast amount of time (rather than merely the events surrounding 70ad). Again, keeping the "proleptic 'you'" and "PLURAL 'you'" (2 of the 3x in this verse) in mind.

Presently, He is in heaven (1), then the other aspect (2) will occur... and this is what Acts 3:21 is saying, "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." [all of the (remaining) OT prophecies... which are not, as of yet, fully fulfilled, but WILL BE!]

I don't buy that for one minute.

KJV1611 · Feb 11, 2020

eternally-gratefull said:

yep and all of that goes right along with prophecy,

isreal was never completely restored after babylon, they were restored but still were prety much under gentile dominion,

they were not even really scattered in Babylon. Many remained in israel

it was not until rome they were completely scatted,

the Babylonian return does not satisfy the requirements,

yet you will ignore that God scattered the,

you ignore that god will bring them together and make them one

you ignore when he does it he will punish the nations who keep them

and you ignore that at that time, they will serve god and the king God gives them

it does not fit Rachel and does not fit the 400 years.

i a, just telling you why I can not see it as you say

I didn't expect you to see it the way I see it, but that's ok we all see things differently.

End Times Timeline

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Banned

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Senior Member

Banned

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Banned

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Banned

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Banned

Banned

Junior Member

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Banned

eternally-gratefull

Guest

Banned

Banned