Christ is God

[Alertandawake]

If you checked and rechecked you would see what that passage says

You would see who wrote it
You would see he was sent by the father
You would see he was sent by the spirit

That fact you do not even seem willing to discuss it puts up red flags

I do not Just put things up to put up. I’f it is easily refuted it is uselessTo me

Now I want you to bluntly spell out those three points above. Because I don't know how you understand those verses? If you don't bluntly spell it out, it is you who is unwilling to discuss.

If you send someone to do something on your behalf you are sending a representative.

If you don't believe Jesus is God, you are missing a very important truth.

Sorry to say this, but Jesus admitted he has a God. "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God "

Jesus has a boss to put another way.

Can God have a God?

You cannot have it both ways, you either believe Jesus is God or you believe he has a God, which is it. If you believe Jesus is God then you contradict and go against him when he admitted in John 17.1-3 that the father is the only true God.

 

[Alertandawake]

yes! amen

can't post this verse enough:

without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh ​

(1 Timothy 3:16) ​

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a great mystery!
God manifest in the flesh!

this is not something simple, not something easy to comprehend, not something clearly understood by humankind.
it is a mystery -- a great one!
flesh and blood doesn't reveal it, but God Himself reveals it -- God reveals Himself

Go and read up on the corruption of the text of 1 Timothy 3:16. There is a history and evidence of text tampering in the greek documents. Not all translations of 1 Tim 3:16 translate the same.

 

[OneOfHis]

Now I want you to bluntly spell out those three points above. Because I don't know how you understand those verses? If you don't bluntly spell it out, it is you who is unwilling to discuss.

If you send someone to do something on your behalf you are sending a representative.



Sorry to say this, but Jesus admitted he has a God. "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God "

Jesus has a boss to put another way.

Can God have a God?

You cannot have it both ways, you either believe Jesus is God or you believe he has a God, which is it. If you believe Jesus is God then you contradict and go against him when he admitted in John 17.1-3 that the father is the only true God.

So you make the rules?

I thought God did....

He is God, He came in the flesh.

Wether you like it or not, your understanding can't change what scripture says.

 

[OneOfHis]

Go and read up on the corruption of the text of 1 Timothy 3:16. There is a history and evidence of text tampering in the greek documents. Not all translations of 1 Tim 3:16 translate the same.

Riiiiight.🤣🤣

"Go to google not the bible cmon bro I know what I'm talking about"

 

[OneOfHis]

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Isaiah 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
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John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

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11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

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John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.





These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory >>>>>>which I had with thee before the world was.<<<<<<<

 

[Alertandawake]

So you make the rules?

I thought God did....

He is God, He came in the flesh.

Wether you like it or not, your understanding can't change what scripture says.

I am not making the rules.

The very reason why trinitarians refuse to answer certain questions directly, is because the minute they do, their trinity doctrine is exposed. That is why when I asked earlier on "How many is The Supreme Being? One or Three" I could not get a direct one worded response.

When I asked a question I expect a direct and accurate response, that way there is no room for misinterpretation. A direct and accurate response does not confuse a person.


So now that we have established this, we can move forward. Your quote "He is God, He came in the flesh." So you are referring to God as coming in the flesh?

So are you saying God changed his nature or form? If so this goes against what is in Malachi 3:6
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

If you add something to your nature, then you are making a change.

 

[Alertandawake]

Riiiiight.🤣🤣

"Go to google not the bible cmon bro I know what I'm talking about"

Yeah, well what bible? There are that many versions and not all translations are the same. SO when you say bible, what bible you mean?

 

[OneOfHis]

Yeah, well what bible? There are that many versions and not all translations are the same. SO when you say bible, what bible you mean?

I prefer the kjv but I am not a tin foil hat type. You're not going to be able to send a google link to shoo away a large % of scripture.


You so far just sound a little angry and a lot confused.


Silly weak and powerless questions based off the understanding of a man who has shown no desire for truth like "can God have a God?" do nothing.

Jesus is God, He says it.

These verses are posted over and over again here (60+ pages), if your claim is that these scriptures are poorly translated... I would first like to know how long ago you have learned the original languages and held the original texts.

 

[Alertandawake]

I prefer the kjv but I am not a tin foil hat type. You're not going to be able to send a google link to shoo away a large % of scripture.


You so far just sound a little angry and a lot confused.


Silly weak and powerless questions based off the understanding of a man who has shown no desire for truth like "can God have a God?" do nothing.

Jesus is God, He says it.

These verses are posted over and over again here (60+ pages), if your claim is that these scriptures are poorly translated... I would first like to know how long ago you have learned the original languages and held the original texts.

I don't know the original languages, I never said I did.

I think they are poorly translated based on the fact I often have to refer to strong's concordance to get a better understanding. And if you do your research when it comes to translations of certain languages, some words used in one language cannot simply be expressed in one word in the target language.

IN John 20.17 "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God " Jesus is going to his God. What part of this direct statement do you not comprehend? When Jesus is talking to Mary, as when read together John 20.16-17, Jesus is making it clear that The God of Jesus is the same as Mary's. Jesus admitted he has a God. And he prayed to his God.

The matter is closed. I am done with this topic.

 

[OneOfHis]

I don't know the original languages, I never said I did.

I think they are poorly translated based on the fact I often have to refer to strong's concordance to get a better understanding. And if you do your research when it comes to translations of certain languages, some words used in one language cannot simply be expressed in one word in the target language.

IN John 20.17 "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God " Jesus is going to his God. What part of this direct statement do you not comprehend? When Jesus is talking to Mary, as when read together John 20.16-17, Jesus is making it clear that The God of Jesus is the same as Mary's. Jesus admitted he has a God. And he prayed to his God.

The matter is closed. I am done with this topic.

Jesus is God.

😁

Matter is still open forever. He has always been. Your denial of it doesn't change a thing.
(i also use strongs 👍)


People who cling to the same few out of context verses which don't even imply the point you're trying to make in any way need to read the whole bible. (and not cherry pick verses they dont like and call them corrupt)

 

[posthuman]

Go and read up on the corruption of the text of 1 Timothy 3:16. There is a history and evidence of text tampering in the greek documents. Not all translations of 1 Tim 3:16 translate the same.

is an inheritance given before the death of the one who bequeaths it?

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things​

(Hebrews 1:1-2)​

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who dies in order for someone to inherit "all things" ?
to whom do all things belong?

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof;​

the world, and they that dwell therein​

(Psalm 24:1)​

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therefore He says, they will know in that day Who it is that was pierced for our transgressions:

they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him ​

(Zechariah 12:10)​

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[posthuman]

That is why when I asked earlier on "How many is The Supreme Being? One or Three" I could not get a direct one worded response.

one.

that's why we have a 67 page thread here called Christ is God.

 

[posthuman]

the LORD said unto my Lord
(Psalm 110:1)
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Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”​

Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed"
(John 20:28-29)

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it is clear

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

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the LORD said unto my Lord​

(Psalm 110:1)​

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Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”​

Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed"​

(John 20:28-29)​

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it is clear

The Christ never rebuked Thomas for calling him “my God”. Good, scratch that, GREAT verse.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

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the LORD said unto my Lord​

(Psalm 110:1)​

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Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”​

Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed"​

(John 20:28-29)​

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it is clear

 

[posthuman]

The Christ never rebuked Thomas for calling him “my God”. Good, scratch that, GREAT verse.

even more than just not rebuking him, Jesus declares that Thomas "believes" !!

 

[dcontroversal]

Just felt like saying.....JESUS IS THE

God of Heaven
Bread of Life
Good Shepherd
Savior
Immanuel
Son of David
Son of Man
Son of God
True and living way <--literal translation
Spark of LIFE
LIGHT
Great I AM
Wellspring of LIFE
Messiah
Creator and Sustain'er of Life
Truth made Flesh
King of kings
Lord of lords
Bright and Morning Star
Alpha and Omega
Beginning and End
The Lion of the Tribe of Judah
Light of the world
Door
Resurrection and the LIFE
Vine
Root and offspring of David
One lifted up from the Earth
Sinless sacrifice that became a sin offering for us
One bruised for our iniquities
One whose stripes have healed us
Lamb of God
Voice in the burning bush
Icon of the invisible GOD
LORD thy GOD

JESUS is GOD.....and even though I fail him miserably I love his TRUTH and I pray he makes me one of the greatest examples of mercy in his KINGDOM and that he remembers me in his kingdom because like PETER said....to whom shall we go...HE alone has the words of eternal life!

 

[Noose]

is an inheritance given before the death of the one who bequeaths it?

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things​

(Hebrews 1:1-2)​

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who dies in order for someone to inherit "all things" ?
to whom do all things belong?

The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof;​

the world, and they that dwell therein​

(Psalm 24:1)​

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therefore He says, they will know in that day Who it is that was pierced for our transgressions:

they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him ​

(Zechariah 12:10)​

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To me, these verses don't prove what you are saying because it is a complex of things. I have asked you before but you didn't answer, let me try again.

Q. When were you created?

Anybody can answer this question if they think they know the answer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now I want you to bluntly spell out those three points above. Because I don't know how you understand those verses? If you don't bluntly spell it out, it is you who is unwilling to discuss.

If you send someone to do something on your behalf you are sending a representative.
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just so you know. You just lost all forms of credibility

How can you say I did not spell it out?

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for the second time

isaiah 48
Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last. (alpha and Omega)
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
[c]Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the Lord your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!


The bolded parts are who "me" Is

it says plainly in vs 16 he was sent by the father and the spirit?

But I guess since reading must be difficult for you let’s get even deeper

HE is He
He is the first and the last (alpha and Omega)
He laid the foundations of the earth
His hand stretched out the heavens and when he calls they stand together
He is the Redeemer
He is the holy one of Israel
He is the Lord Your God
He teaches, He leads
and He gave the commandments

again as vs 16 says, He was sent by the Father and his Spirit

now who is it the one who really is unwilling to discuss?

yeah it’s not me..

three times now. Will you still totally side step the passage?

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

just so you know. You just lost all forms of credibility

How can you say I did not spell it out?

Post 1306

for the second time

isaiah 48
Listen to Me, O Jacob,
And Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First,
I am also the Last. (alpha and Omega)
13 Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth,
And My right hand has stretched out the heavens;
When I call to them,
They stand up together.
14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear!
Who among them has declared these things?
The Lord loves him;
He shall do His pleasure on Babylon,
And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken;
Yes, I have called him,
I have brought him, and his way will prosper.
16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there.
And now the Lord God and His Spirit
[c]Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
“I am the Lord your God,
Who teaches you to profit,
Who leads you by the way you should go.
18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!


The bolded parts are who "me" Is

it says plainly in vs 16 he was sent by the father and the spirit?

But I guess since reading must be difficult for you let’s get even deeper

HE is He
He is the first and the last (alpha and Omega)
He laid the foundations of the earth
His hand stretched out the heavens and when he calls they stand together
He is the Redeemer
He is the holy one of Israel
He is the Lord Your God
He teaches, He leads
and He gave the commandments

again as vs 16 says, He was sent by the Father and his Spirit

now who is it the one who really is unwilling to discuss?

yeah it’s not me..

three times now. Will you still totally side step the passage?

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”[Revelation 1:8] Our anti-Trinitarian friends are losing ground at a breakneck pace.