Are you completely Born again????
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You just DON’T GET IT. 
Jesus have done all the works..
And he said...
Believe and be baptize...
He commanded the apostles to teach and baptize...
That is how you accept the truth..
But just because at one time he did not mentioned baptism along with believed... will that verse proved Jesus a liar?
The fact that those whibelieved were immediately baptize during those days is enuf to say the other..coz believing is a pre requirement to baptism. Understand the statement of the eunuch with philip
The likes of you immediately dropped those statement of Jesus..and claimed that you believed...
Like before you believed, God used the apostles to preach...
God used them as well to baptize...
Baptizing is not yours to claim it's the work of God.
When Jesus said who believed shall be saved... Is this true or not? (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) What happened to baptism in those verses? If he who believes shall be saved (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5 etc..) then he who believes and is baptized shall be saved as well. It's true what Jesus said in Mark 16:16, yet it's the lack of belief that causes condemnation and not the lack of baptism.
So what? This was well after Jesus finished his conversation with Nicodemus and after Jesus explained that whoever believes in Him shall not perish/is not condemned but have eternal life (John 3:15-18). John 3:22 - After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized. Did Jesus forget to mention baptism in John 3:5-18? There is a clear distinction between believes 'AND' is baptized in Mark 16:16, yet Jesus ONLY said 'believes' in John 3:15-18. Why are you so obsessed with water baptism? Does Jesus save or does H20 save? Is Jesus an ALL-sufficient Savior or an IN-sufficient Savior?
You don't accept the truth by isolating a pet verse, building doctrine on it, then ignoring the rest of what Jesus said. You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
Jesus was not lying when He said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved (yet Jesus clarifies the first clause with) but he who does not believe shall be condemned. Jesus did not say whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Jesus did not mention baptism along with believes in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Did Jesus forget to mention baptism in those verses and do those verses prove Jesus to be a liar because He left off baptism? Think about it.
Immediately baptized after they believed still does not prove that man is saved by water baptism. In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. (What happened to baptism?) These Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. (This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18). *Compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
You appear to be thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable. Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
Jesus was not lying when He said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved (yet Jesus clarifies the first clause with) but he who does not believe shall be condemned. Jesus did not say whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Jesus did not mention baptism along with believes in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Did Jesus forget to mention baptism in those verses and do those verses prove Jesus to be a liar because He left off baptism? Think about it.
Immediately baptized after they believed still does not prove that man is saved by water baptism. In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. (What happened to baptism?) These Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. (This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18). *Compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
You appear to be thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable.
Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
You don't accept the truth by isolating a pet verse, building doctrine on it, then ignoring the rest of what Jesus said. You need to properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
Jesus was not lying when He said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved (yet Jesus clarifies the first clause with) but he who does not believe shall be condemned. Jesus did not say whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Jesus did not mention baptism along with believes in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Did Jesus forget to mention baptism in those verses and do those verses prove Jesus to be a liar because He left off baptism? Think about it.
Immediately baptized after they believed still does not prove that man is saved by water baptism. In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. (What happened to baptism?) These Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. (This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18). *Compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
You appear to be thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable. Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
Jesus was not lying when He said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved (yet Jesus clarifies the first clause with) but he who does not believe shall be condemned. Jesus did not say whoever is not baptized will be condemned. Jesus did not mention baptism along with believes in John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26. Did Jesus forget to mention baptism in those verses and do those verses prove Jesus to be a liar because He left off baptism? Think about it.
Immediately baptized after they believed still does not prove that man is saved by water baptism. In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. (What happened to baptism?) These Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. (This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18). *Compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*
You appear to be thoroughly indoctrinated and unteachable.
Let me know when you are ready to repent and believe the gospel.
The likes of you isolate believe and left baptism out ofthe picture.
Learn from the sin if king Saul...
If your church teach baptism as work...and one of your requiment to become a member is baptism...my my..you church requires works for salvation...
Listen to what you are saying...
If someone is an atheist and doesn’t believe in Christ at all, then they would not bother to get water baptized, yet there have been numerous people (who attend various false religions and cults that label themselves as Christian) that have been water baptized and although they may believe “mental assent” in the existence and in historical facts about Christ, they don’t believe unto salvation, so there is a need to say water baptism afterwards.
You certainly are the one who is isolating pet verses and building doctrine on them, while ignoring the context and the rest of scripture yet don’t even seem to realize it. Joining a local church after having been water baptized does not equate to requiring works for salvation because one is already part of the Church, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) upon believing the gospel before joining a local church. (Ephesians 1:13,14)
I am not buildi g doctrine..just follwing what christ said..
Christ save the Church aint it...
And you church requires baptism become member..
I asked you if baptism is work..and you yourself quoted Christ baptism...and defend its work...
So if you require baptism to be a member of your church...and you consider baptism as work the it goes on to say you require work for salvation..
Christ save the Church aint it...
And you church requires baptism become member..
I asked you if baptism is work..and you yourself quoted Christ baptism...and defend its work...
So if you require baptism to be a member of your church...and you consider baptism as work the it goes on to say you require work for salvation..
