The sign of Jonas, three days and three nights

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GandalfTheWhite

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I am a supporter of the third solution.. Jesus died on Wednesday 3:pm and was raised from the dead at sundown Saturday..

The problems the video make came up with are no problems at all..

Problem one.. The prophecy Never said that Jesus would be dead for 3 days and 3 nights... This is what the video maker is thinking because he has a problem with the extra 3 hours from Saturday 3:pm to sundown 6"pm Saturday.. The prophecy states that Jesus would spend 3 days and night IN THE EARTH.. Meaning He would spend 3 days and nights in the tomb.. And He did with the third solution.. Jesus died at 3:pm but the one that buried him had to go to Pilate and ask for the body of Jesus so that he would be burred before sunset which was the beginning of the HIGH sabbath.. So they buried Jesus at Sundown Wednesday..

Problem two..

He talked about the preparation day for the Sabbath.. Note there where TWO Sabbath days in the week Jesus was executed.. The Normal 7th day sabbath at the end of the week Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.. And what the Bible calls a High Sabbath day which fell yearly on the day after the day of Passover.. After Passover the next 7 days was the feat of the unleavened bread and the first day of unleavened bread is a High Sabbath.. We read in the OT these yearly Sabbaths.. Days of holy convocation where not work was to be done..

In context::

Leviticus 23: KJV
4 "¶ These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. {5} In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S Passover. {6} And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. {7} In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

So the day after Passover was Not the normal weekly 7th day Sabbath but the High Sabbath that only happened once a year on the day after the Passover..

This guy had to create a wonky false interpretation to include the suffering of Jesus on the cross to be a part of His 3 days and 3 nights in the earth.. This is just wrong.. Jesus was Not in the earth when He was being crucified.. His body entered into the earth on Wednesday sunset.. And He was raised from the dead at the start of the first day of the week Saturday sunset.. 3 Days and 3 nights just as the prophecy had promised..

I have a website you can have a look at on this subject..

Moresureword.com
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My friend 14 Aviv is a Friday, and 15 Aviv is the start firstfruits and was on the Sabbath :)
 
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JamOn said:
I have a question where was Jesus spiritually after 3pm the ninth hour
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No idea.. He did however go down into hell and preach to the spirits imprisoned there.. during the time between His execution and his reasurection..

As someone has already said before,, He did promise that He would be with the thief who died on the cross next to him that He would be with him in heaven that day.. So it would be safe to say that Jesus went to heaven for a time with the thief and then went to hell to preach..

But the other thing we need to think about is Time.. What is Time in heaven and in hell compared to Universe time.. The question on how long Jesus spent in each place may be irrelevant because He did not spend Universe time but Time in the other heaven Time..

2 Peter 3: KJV
8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Preparation for Pesach started on 10 Aviv/Nissan when the father of the household brought the lamb to the high priest for investigation. Yeshua came through the gates five days before His crucifixion to be scrutinised and investigated for any flaws. None could be found and he was the worthy Passover Lamb for our sins.

Day 1 (Pesach - was 3 days)
On the morning of 14 Aviv the feast started when the lamb was being prepared for slaughter. Roughly about that time our King was being prepared to be crucified. By 3 o’clock the lamb was slaughtered and had to be eaten in full by 6 o’clock that evening. Yeshua died on the cross by 3 o’clock and had to be in the grave by 6 o’clock because the following day was the Sabbath. None of lamb’s bones should be broken and we know none of Yeshua’s bones were broken.

On the same day Yeshua was being crucified history teach us that more or less 200 000 lambs were slaughtered on Pesach.

Day 2 (Feast of unleavened bread started)
The Feast of Unleavened bread started on 15 Aviv (Friday evening 6 o’clock) and is the Sabbath day. The feast is seven days long and Yeshua is our unleavened bread because He is without sin. Leaven is also a symbol for sin. Yeshua is our bread of life and was born in Bethlehem which consist of two words ‘Bet Lechem’ which means in Hebrew House of Bread.

First fruits also started on 15 Aviv and Yeshua was our firstfruit of the harvest. On first fruits, Barley was waived before God so that the harvest would be accepted. Yeshua was our first fruit presented to Abba Father.

I made a mistake earlier when I said First fruits began on 16 Aviv. Sorry friends :)

Day 3

This was the Sunday and the resurrection of our King. Pentecost is then 50 days after first fruits and that is when our King went up into heaven.

The first four feasts was fulfilled during Yeshua’s first coming and the last three feasts will be fulfilled with His second coming.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
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My friend 14 Aviv is a Friday, and 15 Aviv is the start firstfruits and was on the Sabbath :)
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Luk 22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
 
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Adstar said:
As someone has already said before,, He did promise that He would be with the thief who died on the cross next to him that He would be with him in heaven that day.. So it would be safe to say that Jesus went to heaven for a time with the thief and then went to hell to preach..
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Actually, the Lord said paradise not heaven. Paradise was Abraham’s bosom located in the heart of the earth. The Lord did not ascend to His Father until the third day.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus translated paradise to the third heaven where it is located today.
 
JamOn

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No idea.. He did however go down into hell and preach to the spirits imprisoned there.. during the time between His execution and his reasurection..

As someone has already said before,, He did promise that He would be with the thief who died on the cross next to him that He would be with him in heaven that day.. So it would be safe to say that Jesus went to heaven for a time with the thief and then went to hell to preach..

But the other thing we need to think about is Time.. What is Time in heaven and in hell compared to Universe time.. The question on how long Jesus spent in each place may be irrelevant because He did not spend Universe time but Time in the other heaven Time..

2 Peter 3: KJV
8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
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Exactly so those three hours needs to be included, because one can’t say he waited around until his physical body was buried then he left to go where ever. that’s the issue some start counting after the burial
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Adstar said:
Did you not hear the verse in the video stating that the woman went and visited His tomb and then prepared the


Wednesday Day.. He died at 3:00pm and was laid in the tomb at sundown.. which was the start of the first day of unleavened bread..
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We have to study the feast days of God, which are/were a shadow of things to come
 
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JamOn said:
Exactly so those three hours needs to be included, because one can’t say he waited around until his physical body was buried then he left to go where ever. that’s the issue some start counting after the burial
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But as i said it is irrelevant to the actual prophecy.. The prophecy of johah is not about how long Jesus body would be dead.. It was about How long Jesus body would be in the earth.. In the tomb..
 
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watcher2013 said:
What is the true meaning of "in the heart of the Earth"???
the grave or the tomb is WRONG.
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There’s no reason to spiritualize this term. Take it literally. The heart of the earth is the center of the earth. Jesus descended to the heart of the earth. He descended, He went down.
 
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watcher2013 said:
What is the true meaning of "in the heart of the Earth"???
the grave or the tomb is WRONG.
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Exactly what does the metaphor "heart of the corrupted earth" mean.

We receive some understand . With the first martlyr Abel a apostle sent by God .
We know his literal blood without the spirt cannot do anything. The crying out in respect to the suffering is for the new promised incorruptible body.

Matthew 23:3 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


The reasoning of a living suffering (hell) ,The father and Son working together .The belly of the whale began in the garden the first part of the three day work. father remove the cup I . But thy will be done. Three times they working together performed that work of our salvation.

Demonstrated by the cross also.

The tomb is not the heart of the earth. It the last of that 3 part work of the father and Son. "garden cross and tomb"
 
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But as i said it is irrelevant to the actual prophecy.. The prophecy of johah is not about how long Jesus body would be dead.. It was about How long Jesus body would be in the earth.. In the tomb..
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Yup it started the moment of his last breath, where the body was is kind of meaningless the body didn’t go to hades or anywhere else it was simply placed in a tomb. Jesus was out of his physical body for three days and three nights.
 
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I wonder why when explaining the 3 day work. Most make it about the cross part and by pass the same work of suffering for the sin of mankind in the garden. Shown in another way. Pouring out his unseen spirit as if it was blood. That which many literalize, and remove the faith principle.

Two witnesses that have the same outcome or spiritual understanding, hid in the parables..
 
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JamOn said:
Yup it started the moment of his last breath, where the body was is kind of meaningless the body didn’t go to hades or anywhere else it was simply placed in a tomb. Jesus was out of his physical body for three days and three nights.
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Jonas suffering began when he was swallowed by the whale...
Luk_24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Mat 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.
 
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garee said:
Exactly what does the metaphor "heart of the corrupted earth" mean.

We receive some understand . With the first martlyr Abel a apostle sent by God .
We know his literal blood without the spirt cannot do anything. The crying out in respect to the suffering is for the new promised incorruptible body.

Matthew 23:3 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.


The reasoning of a living suffering (hell) ,The father and Son working together .The belly of the whale began in the garden the first part of the three day work. father remove the cup I . But thy will be done. Three times they working together performed that work of our salvation.

Demonstrated by the cross also.

The tomb is not the heart of the earth. It the last of that 3 part work of the father and Son. "garden cross and tomb"
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the video explains it...and see post #38
 
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John146 said:
There’s no reason to spiritualize this term. Take it literally. The heart of the earth is the center of the earth. Jesus descended to the heart of the earth. He descended, He went down.
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its not spiritualizing...it scripturalizing...
watch the video and see post #38
 
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