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Lightskin

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OneOfHis said:
Lol no you won't lose a friend or get banned. Nothing wrong with wanting justice for injustice as a matter of fact that is a good thing, but ultimately I don't believe you want these people to continue in their blindness more than to see the light....


I watched a few crime videos a few months back... some of the things people can do are so... so wicked...

I definitely want God in His perfect righteousness to come serve justice....

But until that day I'd be lying if I said seeing someone actually turn and repent from unbelief and see the gospel as true then be born again isn't one of the most wonderful things we can witness..

(and I think you'd agree... I was just pointing out there is a difference between wanting to see evil punished and NOT wanting someone to be made new)
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I definitely want them to see the error of their ways and rejoice in the fullness of Jesus Christ. But I despise their heresy nonetheless.
 
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Guojing said:
because our covenant is cut between God the Son and God the Father.
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Which is exactly why we should cling to Christ in faith.

"22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off." - Romans 11:22
 
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Elihoenai said:
The command to sell all your possessions and give to the Poor.

Here is a discussion about this command on another Forum Website:
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/sell-your-possessions-and-properties/
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@Elihoenai you have just exposed yourself.


I checked out the link, because this has been a theme here on BDF the past little while.... i.e. 'sell all your possessions"

Interesting you link to "gaviriachristian"

So are you the banned member gaviriachristian or one of his disciples?

I know he has a following.... plenty of stupid people in this world

I can tell you no one is buying what you are selling..... it is pure nonsense!!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
The peddler fake faith is back peddling the words of his master as a good deceived servant.....you were wrong when you started peddling this crap...have been proven wrong and are still wrong.......!
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You have no clue what Faith is and how to apply it. You can't even distinguish the difference between Grace and pisteuo. Your a perfect example a deceived called out one who think their somekind of spiritual depository. You have zero capability to listen and have a productive conversation. So do what you good at, respond with your vile venom. But be assured, you and I know your attitude is just a front, hiding your inability to have an honest look at the truth I've put on the table right in front of you.

Your suffering from a severe case of spiritual nepolean syndrome. You may be able to make your followers in here swallow that, but we know different don't we?
 
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EleventhHour

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Judges1318 said:
Which is exactly why we should cling to Christ in faith.

"22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off." - Romans 11:22
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You know your posts are just infuriating.
Just deceitful
 
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Pisteuo said:
You have no clue what Faith is and how to apply it. You can't even distinguish the difference between Grace and pisteuo. Your a perfect example a deceived called out one who think their somekind of spiritual depository. You have zero capability to listen and have a productive conversation. So do what you good at, respond with your vile venom. But be assured, you and I know your attitude is just a front, hiding your inability to have an honest look at the truth I've put on the table right in front of you.

Your suffering from a severe case of spiritual nepolean syndrome. You may be able to make your followers in here swallow that, but we know different don't we?
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There is only "one" productive conversation one can have with a person who does not have the Gospel right, it is the "one" where you try to set him straight with the Gospel ........and I am sure @dcontroversal and others have tried and you have not listened.

So that is on you.
 
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EleventhHour

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dcontroversal said:
We do not promote other websites on this thread...This is Christian Chat...we do not need to read the same drivel and blather that you peddle here from another site to already know that we do not buy what you are selling.....Trust Jesus by faith and be set free from the chains that bind you!!!
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It is the same drivel, he is a follower, if not the actual... "gaviriachristian" ... the super duper luper "one" who has no possessions, money and has purchased things years in advance, even plane tickets to Israel.:D
 
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EleventhHour said:
There is only "one" productive conversation one can have with a person who does not have the Gospel right, it is the "one" where you try to set him straight with the Gospel ........and I am sure @dcontroversal and others have tried and you have not listened.

So that is on you.
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Really, your a perfect example of our schools not teaching the most important part of life, how to listen!

So go and, how did you put it, trust that God will give you everything he promises! The Father gave His Son, His Son gave His life, any chance that you might be a giver and not a taker when the Spirit is put in you?
 
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Pisteuo

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dcontroversal said:
The peddler fake faith is back peddling the words of his master as a good deceived servant.....you were wrong when you started peddling this crap...have been proven wrong and are still wrong.......!
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I'll simplify it for you.

I preach and live surrender, you preach and live divide and conquer. I m sure that's one thing we can all agree on!
 
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EleventhHour

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Pisteuo said:
Really, your a perfect example of our schools not teaching the most important part of life, how to listen!

So go and, how did you put it, trust that God will give you everything he promises! The Father gave His Son, His Son gave His life, any chance that you might be a giver and not a taker when the Spirit is put in you?
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What does this mean?
 
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Pisteuo

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dcontroversal said:
It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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You could actually try something new. Humble yourself before God and your followers and have a real look at Faith and how it's applied, apart from the Grace of Christ!
 
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I have partial agreement with Pisteuo. I can see why surrender would be in the description of pisteuo in the Greek. But, I believe he or she? has the wrong application.

Surrender your whole being in believing which is great faith in the eyes of God. No doubt.

Jesus spoke of little or puny faith that he reprimanded, (gently I believe) and great faith resulting in the miraculous.

Look at the word faith and how it’s applied in the NT scriptures. Surrender your whole being in reliance upon Jesus for salvation of body, soul, and Spirit. Great faith! Believe!
 
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EleventhHour

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Pisteuo said:
It means keep seeking Him! Your not what you think you are. That is if you still posess that desire to know Him better?
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I am not really sure what you are talking about, but I can tell you this much "continually seeking Him" does not secure salvation if that is what you are stating here.
 
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stonesoffire said:
I have partial agreement with Pisteuo. I can see why surrender would be in the description of pisteuo in the Greek. But, I believe he or she? has the wrong application.

Surrender your whole being in believing which is great faith in the eyes of God. No doubt.

Jesus spoke of little or puny faith that he reprimanded, (gently I believe) and great faith resulting in the miraculous.

Look at the word faith and how it’s applied in the NT scriptures. Surrender your whole being in reliance upon Jesus for salvation of body, soul, and Spirit. Great faith! Believe!
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The words believe, believer, and believing, are mistranslations. Those words are not in the Greek language.
 
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Pisteuo said:
The words believe, believer, and believing, are mistranslations. Those words are not in the Greek language.
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I don’t know if this is true, will check but my understanding is to believe would be surrender. Resulting in faith. To surrender would be to close my mind to doubt or darts of doubt by the enemy, and open to faith; what God says about specific matters. It’s how it pictures in my thoughts.

Ive shared this before but will do again here. This came from Holy Spirit to me...faith is a substance in the spiritual realm. When He sees it, then He moves to answer.

Sometimes there’s a waiting period.....God is moving but we then have a decision to make. Will we fight the battle to the end of our faith? Other times is instant.
 
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