A Distinction Between Tongues

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CS1

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But, we seek the truth<Miracles were meant to be seen. So where are they? They began lessening in the Epistles for sure.
Jesus is the Truth. Miracles have been seen. many people testify of them all the time BUT they do not need your validation or approval. I would do as Jesus did when HE was question by the Pharisees who said the very something. Jesus proved it then they said it was the devil who did it. If you are not seeing what thousands have seen from Prayers answered, I don't know what to tell you.
 

presidente

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No cop out just an observation of the evidence. You want to teach that unknown tongues are for today but they generate no knowledge so they do nothing to aid Spiritual growth. Then you want to blame me for telling he truth. Go figure.
Tongues with interpretation edifies the church as I Corinthians 14 teaches.
 
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Jesus is the Truth. Miracles have been seen. many people testify of them all the time BUT they do not need your validation or approval. I would do as Jesus did when HE was question by the Pharisees who said the very something. Jesus proved it then they said it was the devil who did it. If you are not seeing what thousands have seen from Prayers answered, I don't know what to tell you.
If there were ANY miracles today, billions of cell phones would capture at least one. The gifts began to disappear in the Epistles.
 

presidente

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If there were ANY miracles today, billions of cell phones would capture at least one. The gifts began to disappear in the Epistles.
How many of the thousands of videos on the topic gave you viewed online?
 

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But, we seek the truth<Miracles were meant to be seen. So where are they? They began lessening in the Epistles for sure.
Even within the book of Acts they were dwindling.

I believe God still heals, though..just not as much as some claim, and it's not an entitlement.
 

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If there were ANY miracles today, billions of cell phones would capture at least one. The gifts began to disappear in the Epistles.
lol your human logic is dismissive. Only from a bias would one say such an ill-formed statement. You are just like a pharisee. If video on them were shown to you then we would the idea of how it was fake staged event.

Tell you what, You show me were in the Bible it says Miracles do not happen today. IF you cannot then I would suggest you ask God why HE has not done what you think validates HIS word.
 

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Tongues with interpretation edifies the church as I Corinthians 14 teaches.
Cop out and misleading reply. There is no way to know if the interpreter understands what is said when the tongues are unknown. There is no interpreters in praying in tongues. Tongues ended with the completion of the NT scriptures. Tongues are a result of the curse of God on Nimrod at Babel.

The only tongues here are forked tongues which are speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

presidente

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Cop out and misleading reply. There is no way to know if the interpreter understands what is said when the tongues are unknown. There is no interpreters in praying in tongues. Tongues ended with the completion of the NT scriptures. Tongues are a result of the curse of God on Nimrod at Babel.

The only tongues here are forked tongues which are speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Sometimes two people do get the same interpretation of tongues. One gives it before the other one does. The same happens with prophesying. There have also been cases where people who understand a language have heard it 'in tongues' and verified the interpretation.

But if no one there does, it is not a Biblical requirement that they do. Paul even said, "No man understandeth him" so it wasn't the norm for others to understand in their church meetings back then either.
 

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Cop out and misleading reply. There is no way to know if the interpreter understands what is said when the tongues are unknown. There is no interpreters in praying in tongues. Tongues ended with the completion of the NT scriptures. Tongues are a result of the curse of God on Nimrod at Babel.

The only tongues here are forked tongues which are speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
complete fallacy and insulting judgment on those one does not even know . What a hypocrite and self-righteous comment . You know nothing of the gifts of the Holy Spirit you know less of 1 Cor chapter 12 through 14. Time and time again you take out of context the word interpretation which is not a translation. You were explained this many times but continue to make fruitless comments
 
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lol your human logic is dismissive. Only from a bias would one say such an ill-formed statement. You are just like a pharisee. If video on them were shown to you then we would the idea of how it was fake staged event.

Tell you what, You show me were in the Bible it says Miracles do not happen today. IF you cannot then I would suggest you ask God why HE has not done what you think validates HIS word.
The signs and wonders were meant to be seen. Where are they?
 

notuptome

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Sometimes two people do get the same interpretation of tongues. One gives it before the other one does. The same happens with prophesying. There have also been cases where people who understand a language have heard it 'in tongues' and verified the interpretation.

But if no one there does, it is not a Biblical requirement that they do. Paul even said, "No man understandeth him" so it wasn't the norm for others to understand in their church meetings back then either.
1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Tongues ended with the completion of the NT scriptures.

Should the gifts of the Holy Spirit produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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complete fallacy and insulting judgment on those one does not even know . What a hypocrite and self-righteous comment . You know nothing of the gifts of the Holy Spirit you know less of 1 Cor chapter 12 through 14. Time and time again you take out of context the word interpretation which is not a translation. You were explained this many times but continue to make fruitless comments
Show me the fruit of the Holy Spirit not rancor and angst.j

Mat 13 some of the seed fell among the thorns and the thorns overcame them.

By their fruit you shall know them. Fruit of the Holy Spirit not gifts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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The signs and wonders were meant to be seen. Where are they?
Great you dismiss the question asked of you by another question. Again just because you did not see it does not make the word of God to no effect. Your issue is, 1. the word of God true about signs & wonders 2. God must provide for me a sign.

What arrogant an attitude " where are they? " wow. The word Lord God is suggested not to be true by you, because you have not seen it. Lets see if you are really open to the understanding of Gods word as fully true and authoritative.

You, by what I see places a limited the God of the bible, I will address signs & wonders first. from the word of God . Then we can move to what has been done over the last 100 years Ok :).

I will start in Genesis 1:4

" Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;"

God had made the Moon and the sun as a sign to man to know the day and season. This has not ceased. The moon and the sun are set in their place As God ordained the to be .
what possible sign is there today of these things God has made?

Roman 1:20

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,"


This sign has not stopped since God spoke it into existence.

God also asked questions of Job, and doing so God provide some power signs and wonders that are still happening today. I will only provide a few to establish a normative of Gods signs and wonders happening today.

Job 38:11

"When I said, ‘This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!’
Job 40:2

“Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him?
He who rebukes God, let him answer it.”


God still hold the very things we see everyday according to HIS great power. From the Old testament to the New God is.
because HE loves HE saves and heals and delivers.


The testimonies of thousands of people who have prayed and were healed by God is very much available for one to read and search.
over the passed 100 years to day God has done great things. As His people come together and pray God still answers prayer that is still wonder happening today.


Nothing has stopped. God did not just write Book to be come the best seller of all times. HE still holds HIS word above HIS name.


And HIS word will carry out what it says IT will do today just as when HE first spoke and inspired man to write it.
The Bible is not God the bible is the Word of God and the word is alive.


meaning God still heals, saves and delivers.
 
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Great you dismiss the question asked of you by another question. Again just because you did not see it does not make the word of God to no effect. Your issue is, 1. the word of God true about signs & wonders 2. God must provide for me a sign.

What arrogant an attitude " where are they? " wow. The word Lord God is suggested not to be true by you, because you have not seen it. Lets see if you are really open to the understanding of Gods word as fully true and authoritative.

You, by what I see places a limited the God of the bible, I will address signs & wonders first. from the word of God . Then we can move to what has been done over the last 100 years Ok :).

I will start in Genesis 1:4

" Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;"

God had made the Moon and the sun as a sign to man to know the day and season. This has not ceased. The moon and the sun are set in their place As God ordained the to be .
what possible sign is there today of these things God has made?

Roman 1:20

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,"


This sign has not stopped since God spoke it into existence.

God also asked questions of Job, and doing so God provide some power signs and wonders that are still happening today. I will only provide a few to establish a normative of Gods signs and wonders happening today.

Job 38:11

"When I said, ‘This far you may come, but no farther, And here your proud waves must stop!’
Job 40:2

“Shall the one who contends with the Almighty correct Him?
He who rebukes God, let him answer it.”


God still hold the very things we see everyday according to HIS great power. From the Old testament to the New God is.
because HE loves HE saves and heals and delivers.


The testimonies of thousands of people who have prayed and were healed by God is very much available for one to read and search.
over the passed 100 years to day God has done great things. As His people come together and pray God still answers prayer that is still wonder happening today.


Nothing has stopped. God did not just write Book to be come the best seller of all times. HE still holds HIS word above HIS name.


And HIS word will carry out what it says IT will do today just as when HE first spoke and inspired man to write it.
The Bible is not God the bible is the Word of God and the word is alive.


meaning God still heals, saves and delivers.
But you are not able to prove your claims without physical evidence.
 

CS1

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But you are not able to prove your claims without physical evidence.

my claim? LOL you are not to refute the word of God. I will provide you with what ou ask
when you answer this
  1. IS the word Of God authoritative
  2. If one does not see what God said would happen mean it is not for today
  3. how is what you are asking any different than what the pharisees asked of Jesus

Answer that and i will prove you with testimony of the God of the Bible able to do what HE said HE would do.
 
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my claim? LOL you are not to refute the word of God. I will provide you with what ou ask
when you answer this
  1. IS the word Of God authoritative
  2. If one does not see what God said would happen mean it is not for today
  3. how is what you are asking any different than what the pharisees asked of Jesus

Answer that and i will prove you with testimony of the God of the Bible able to do what HE said HE would do.
But you need physical evidence to prove you are right.
 

presidente

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1Co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1Co 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Tongues ended with the completion of the NT scriptures.

Should the gifts of the Holy Spirit produce the fruit of the Holy Spirit?
As usual on this topic, the verse you quote does not support your assertions.

The Holy Spirit enables saints with gifts. The Holy Spirit produces fruit. I believe the Spirit is the source for both. However xarismata is very closely related to xaris, and I believe fruit comes through grace also.