If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???

[lightbearer]

what does God do on the 8th day?



I agree. So that's th handwriting. And don't forget that the tablets were also handwritten, by His finger.

When will you accept and come to the truth, 'lightbearer' - - when will you bear true light?
Here is rest, give it to the weary.

So much for loving behavior.
If you had nothing to say that is what you should of said. But alas....

 

[lightbearer]

What exactly are you saying here?

For one thing, you are practicing "collapsing the context"...in other words, you are connecting verses without regards to their context.


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Show where it is wrong verse by verse please

 

[posthuman]

Show me where in the BIBLE it says that JESUS is OUR Sabbath

In peace I will lie down and sleep,​

for You alone, Lord, make me dwell in safety!
(Psalm 4:8)
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He makes me to lie down in green pastures;​

He leads me beside the still waters;​

He restores my soul.
(Psalm 23:2-3)​

truly my soul finds rest in God;​

my salvation comes from Him!
(Psalm 62:1)


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[posthuman]

Here my friend.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

so you're saying the new moon festival must be kept?

 

[posthuman]

Verse 16 makes this even clearer with the fact that It says let no man therefore judge you. The word "therefore" connects what is about to be said to what was already said. It is a conclusion. Principalities and powers have been spoiled by the cross.

in particular, let no man judge you over food or drink ((ordinances)), a new moon ((festivals)), a feast day ((high sabbaths)), or a sabbath day. those are specified as things which are shadows. shadows are things blotted out by pure ubiquitous light. the Torah is a shadow; Christ is the substance. there was evening, and there was morning; there is a new day.

 

[posthuman]

I love Romans. You wish to speak on it now?

yes!

tell me about how the dead keep their rest

we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life, for if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin; for he who has died has been freed from sin!
(Romans 6:4-7)

my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to Another
(Romans 7:4)

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[posthuman]

God says His Law , His word, His righteousness is in the heart, mind and mouth through Christ.

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a new commandment I give to you,​

that you love one another;​

as I have loved you, that you also love one another​

(John 13:34)​

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in that He says, “a new” He has made the first obsolete​

(Hebrews 8:13)​

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He taketh away the stone and giveth a living heart ♥

 

[posthuman]

what does God do on the 8th day?

If you had nothing to say that is what you should of said. But alas....

about the 8th day tho . . ?

 

[bud62]

so you're saying the new moon festival must be kept?

come to pass all flesh will

I don't know that I have any issue with what you've said, except you should continue on to quote v. 17.

And, to note the context..throughout the Gentile church, Judaizers were attempting to enforce the Mosaic observances, including the festivals, upon Gentiles. Gentiles are not Israel, and the festivals were given to ancient Israel. They were "separation commandments" which were meant to preserve Israel's distinct identity, and to prohibit idolatry.

By stopping at v. 17, you are obscuring the fact that the days (weekly, monthly, annually) are shadows of Christ, and not the substance. The substance is Christ.

Judaizers worship the shadow, and not the substance.

Some also have this idea that Gentile slaves could simply start keeping the Sabbath, festivals, and New Moons..as if their masters are going to allow them to do this. Some also think that their pathetic observances, which required going to Jerusalem and could not be properly observed elsewhere, meet the requirements laid down in Scripture (Deut 16:16). Some have told me that going to a hotel room for seven/eight days, or going on a camping trip with their kids for seven/eight days, is keeping the festivals. Wrong. They can do it if they want, and it may even teach them some lessons, but it is not true observance of the festivals as defined in Scripture.

It's really impossible to observe the Mosaic Law now, as the Temple has been destroyed and there is no Levitical priesthood. Additionally, Christ has been sacrificed, and he is the final sacrifice. Therefore, there is no way that the Law can be observed now.

And, this is where I have a massive issue with dispensationalists, as they believe a Temple will be restored, and that the Law will be instituted again in the Millennium. Their understanding of the Prophets leads them to this conclusion, but this cannot be as Christ is the final sacrifice. And, their lame excuse of "these are memorials" is false, and violates their OWN "literal" interpretation, as nowhere does it call these observances in the Prophets as memorials. It refers to them as "sin offerings" in fact.

Instead, if one understand that the prophets were given visions that used "old covenant lenses" to explain "new covenant concepts" things become much clearer. But, the dispensationalist will claim this is "allegorizing" or "spiritualizing".

However, I will ask them if it is sane to think that animal sacrifices will be offered in the future as legitimate expressions of worship to God. I don't think so.

This is not talking about the weekly Sabbath the weekly Sabbath comes from GODs commandments, The feast Sabbath comes from Moses hand writings and have been nail to the cross, but GODs commandment Sabbath, will be kept for ever,
The Catholic Church, And the Papacy, Love it when People Worship them through Ignorance, Keeping their false sunday Sabbath, The Catholic Church tells us that Sunday is their Mark, Of authority, that they are above the Bible, Because people keep their False Sabbath, OVER GODs true HOLY Sabbath, So people are Giving the papacy worship, BY obeying the papacy over GOD. Even through their ignorance they worship the Papacy. GOD bless as HE sees fit

 

[lightbearer]

so you're saying the new moon festival must be kept?

The word translated new moon does not always refer to the festival. Lots of times it just means month.
Ancient authorities see it this way for Is 66:23.
From two translations of the LXX

(Isa 66:23 ABP) And it will be month by month, and Sabbath by Sabbath, [3 shall come 1 all 2 flesh] to do obeisance before me in Jerusalem, said the LORD.

And it shall come to pass from month to month, and from sabbath to sabbath, that all flesh shall come to worship before me in Jerusalem, saith the Lord.
(Isa 66:23 Brenton)

From a translation of the Latin Vulgate
And there shall be month after month, and sabbath after sabbath: and all flesh shall come to adore before my face, saith the Lord.
(Isa 66:23 DRB)

Not that it means anything but The NET translation has some of the leading translators of our day involved in it's compilation. That translation also sees it the same way.

Isa 66:23 From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me,” says the LORD

There are others

 

[lightbearer]

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a new commandment I give to you,​

that you love one another;​

as I have loved you, that you also love one another​

(John 13:34)​

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Even if it is new and not just another way to exemplify God telling Israel to Love their neighbor Jesus explicitly stated that,​

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
(Mat 5:17-18 KJV)

As you know Heaven and earth are still here and all has not been fulfilled.

And in case you are thinking that Jesus is referring to all the Book of the Law he is not. He proceeds in verse 19 to get rather specific. He narrows down what he is talking about by saying "one of these least commandments". After that He begins to name a couple of the "these" he is referring to. He mentions a few of the 10 Commandments and then other commandments in the Book of the Law that pertain to our interaction with one another and God.


Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:19 KJV)

 

[lightbearer]

God's judgments handed down to man through Moses not human judgments.

It was the handwriting to the ordinances that were blotted out. They were against us and contrary to us, not the ordinances themselves. These handwriting to the ordinances, the judgments, the ceremonial and sacrificial laws God mandated for when we broke the ordinances, the laws that pertain to life, God's righteousness are not necessary anymore . We have been forgiven through Christ so they are not needed for judgement. Verse 16 makes this even clearer with the fact that It says let no man therefore judge you. The word "therefore" connects what is about to be said to what was already said. It is a conclusion. Principalities and powers have been spoiled by the cross. No more judgment by man because the handwriting to the ordinances has been blotted out because we have been forgiven already.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting to the ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:13-16)

in particular, let no man judge you over food or drink ((ordinances)), a new moon ((festivals)), a feast day ((high sabbaths)), or a sabbath day. those are specified as things which are shadows. shadows are things blotted out by pure ubiquitous light. the Torah is a shadow; Christ is the substance. there was evening, and there was morning; there is a new day.

All of which is being stated in context to the handwriting to the ordinances. The Sabbath Days mentioned in Col 2:16 are of the handwriting to the ordinances. Not the ordinances themselves, the laws that pertain to life, God's righteousness. They never change. Not one jot or tittle shall pass. Especially now that they are in our heart, mind, and mouth through Christ, Praise God for His Spirit.

 

[bud62]

come to pass all flesh will


This is not talking about the weekly Sabbath the weekly Sabbath comes from GODs commandments, The feast Sabbath comes from Moses hand writings and have been nail to the cross, but GODs commandment Sabbath, will be kept for ever,
The Catholic Church, And the Papacy, Love it when People Worship them through Ignorance, Keeping their false sunday Sabbath, The Catholic Church tells us that Sunday is their Mark, Of authority, that they are above the Bible, Because people keep their False Sabbath, OVER GODs true HOLY Sabbath, So people are Giving the papacy worship, BY obeying the papacy over GOD. Even through their ignorance they worship the Papacy. GOD bless as HE sees fit

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The word translated new moon does not always refer to the festival. Lots of times it just means month.
Ancient authorities see it this way for Is 66:23.
From two translations of the LXX

(Isa 66:23 ABP) And it will be month by month, and Sabbath by Sabbath, [3 shall come 1 all 2 flesh] to do obeisance before me in Jerusalem, said the LORD.

And it shall come to pass from month to month, and from sabbath to sabbath, that all flesh shall come to worship before me in Jerusalem, saith the Lord.
(Isa 66:23 Brenton)

From a translation of the Latin Vulgate
And there shall be month after month, and sabbath after sabbath: and all flesh shall come to adore before my face, saith the Lord.
(Isa 66:23 DRB)

Not that it means anything but The NET translation has some of the leading translators of our day involved in it's compilation. That translation also sees it the same way.

Isa 66:23 From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me,” says the LORD

There are others

Will be kept , in the new heaven and the new earth, And He will let Us know then how we will do it, But his Sabbath He tells Us How to keep Here on earth Now,

 

[posthuman]

The sun shall no longer be your light by day,
nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you;
but the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, ​

and your God your glory.
(Isaiah 60:19)
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no more sun, no more moon
no more weeks, no more months
eternal Day

 

[posthuman]

The word translated new moon does not always refer to the festival. Lots of times it just means month.

and sometimes "a seven" is likewise speaking of the passage of time.

Isaiah 66:23 uses the language of ordinances to say 'perpetually'

 

[lightbearer]

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The sun shall no longer be your light by day, ​

nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you; ​

but the LORD will be to you an everlasting light, ​

and your God your glory. ​

(Isaiah 60:19)​

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no more sun, no more moon
no more weeks, no more months
eternal Day

The evening and morning were set for a day before the sun, moon and stars were created.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
(Gen 1:1-5 KJV)

 

[gb9]

* Revelation 21- " the New Heaven will have no sun or moon, and no nights.

gonna be hard to keep up with days...

 

[lightbearer]

* Revelation 21- " the New Heaven will have no sun or moon, and no nights.

gonna be hard to keep up with days...

The evening and morning were set for a day before the sun, moon and stars were created.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
(Gen 1:1-5 KJV)

 

[lightbearer]

Off to worky Have a nice day

 

[posthuman]

The evening and morning were set for a day before the sun, moon and stars were created.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
(Gen 1:1-5 KJV)

The darkness He called 'evening'

There will be no more night