Valley of the dry bones - Ezekiel 37:1-10
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its not about what we think, its about what the scripture says.
so please. Show me where the following has occurred, Show me where these have been fulfilled. Show me how Israel today looks anything like this
If you can show me, I will admit my error.
Ezek 37
‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; (this would include ALL people from Israel. Not just the many) 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”
so please. Show me where the following has occurred, Show me where these have been fulfilled. Show me how Israel today looks anything like this
If you can show me, I will admit my error.
Ezek 37
‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; (this would include ALL people from Israel. Not just the many) 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.” ’ ”
As long as it is the Church Age, the Gospel must be preached to both Jews and Gentiles. But AFTER the second coming of Christ, there is a Plan A for the Jews. Obviously you have not bothered to check it out.
ROMANS 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Note: the end of the Church Age)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (see Ezekiel 36)
28 As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
ROMANS 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Note: the end of the Church Age)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (see Ezekiel 36)
28 As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are His judgments, and His ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been His counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to Him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
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you might find this interesting...Isaiah prophesied a nation would be born in one day...if you checked out the other link, you will see the fulfillment of that prophecy
I was addressing Israel becoming a nation...a geographical location and a people (as they had been scattered as God said He would do because of their disregard for Him) in one day. it was prophesied...it is literal and it happened
of course all the prophecies have not been fulfilled...unless a person is a preterist, they understand that
I'm not trying to prove anything...it has already happened...it would be good if you realized that and don't come back with whatever has not happened yet
I don't need anyone to admit an error...sometimes folks just don't see all that is being said from scripture
Isaiah 66:7-8 American Standard Version (ASV)
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man-child. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall a land be [a]born in one day? shall a nation be brought forth at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
no one can show you what has not yet happened. I was trying to show how Israel was formed in one day...prior to that, it was all Palestine but we know from scripture that it is the land God gave them
things are lining up but God does not move according to our time table
we need to understand HIS
nonetheless, the gathering did occur and is occuring. the desert is also blooming...irrigation
God brings things to pass by what seems to be 'natural causes' . people need to understand that God is a CREATOR and the Bible is full of phrases indicating 'God brings it to pass'...we have others such as 'and it came to pass'...but God cause it to come to pass
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I will also add, that someone might ask 'well why did God leave the Israelites in Egypt so long? they were enslaved and life was awful
God says that it was not time to bring them out. in Genesis 15 God tells Abraham that his descendants would be in a strange land for 400 years...as servants...slaves if you will
it takes years for God to prepare people and not because of some inability on His part, but because He is dealing patiently with His creation
God does speak and it does happen, but He, once again, creates...He does not wave a magic wand...but when something out of the ordinary happens (our ordinary) we call it a miracle...but it is actually a miracle every day because He holds the entire thing together by the power of His word alone
we see in microcosm the same as in macrocosm. not trying to be funny here, but God has used round shapes and orbits for atoms the way it repeats in the cosmos...nothing is actually solid..everything is actually spinning energy and empty space
end of physics 101
God says that it was not time to bring them out. in Genesis 15 God tells Abraham that his descendants would be in a strange land for 400 years...as servants...slaves if you will
it takes years for God to prepare people and not because of some inability on His part, but because He is dealing patiently with His creation
God does speak and it does happen, but He, once again, creates...He does not wave a magic wand...but when something out of the ordinary happens (our ordinary) we call it a miracle...but it is actually a miracle every day because He holds the entire thing together by the power of His word alone
we see in microcosm the same as in macrocosm. not trying to be funny here, but God has used round shapes and orbits for atoms the way it repeats in the cosmos...nothing is actually solid..everything is actually spinning energy and empty space
end of physics 101
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when God says 'I will' He literally means He wills it; His word does not return back to Him void but performs the task for which He sent it
I think perhaps God has revealed some of this to His prophets and that is why sometimes their language seems a little strange or perhaps needs to be understood from what has gone before...in scripture
I think perhaps God has revealed some of this to His prophets and that is why sometimes their language seems a little strange or perhaps needs to be understood from what has gone before...in scripture
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I think this is why we get into such seemingly hateful discussion
This thread was about ezek 37. And that is the context of everything I have said.
If you want to take it outside of this context. Thats fine, But instead of mocking me. Let me know
anyway, I will ask once again, Can you show me where Isreal looks like the things I posted? The reason I ask, Is that was my commewnt to watcher, that Isreal did not resemble that state today. In which you came at me and felt like you had to do something/
so please again. SHow where I was wrong in my comment to him!
This thread was about ezek 37. And that is the context of everything I have said.
If you want to take it outside of this context. Thats fine, But instead of mocking me. Let me know
anyway, I will ask once again, Can you show me where Isreal looks like the things I posted? The reason I ask, Is that was my commewnt to watcher, that Isreal did not resemble that state today. In which you came at me and felt like you had to do something/
so please again. SHow where I was wrong in my comment to him!
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no
actually the reason we deteriorate when we try to sit down at the table is because of you saying things like: I mocked you
I think you are a bit thin skinned, what? you know, I have actually got a thicker skin in the years I have been here. really and that is prob a good thing
and I didn't come at you. good grief man....do you hear yourself? does everything have to be a hill to die on?
I have to go back and look at what transpired exactly because I basically always had in mind the one day restoration
why is it so important to you that you are not wrong? if it was something like a salvic issue, hey I would be there too...but everything I have seen regarding how people view or understand prophecy tells me that it is not a science
I am more of a discusser than an arguer...which most people here would prob dispute. they would dispute it because I refute the nonsense and absolute unbiblical gobbledegook that people create ops about...you do the same
but I don't write words with little hearts and flowers and musical notes cause that is not me. I believe in give and take...this forum is not really built for that especially when you have people who would pay good money for an audience to be able to get one here for almost free
but I would rather have a good honest fight than a false peace...disagreements are a certain thing and I would ask you to kindly stop telling me to prove something that I never set out to do in the first place
this is about understanding from my POV....and I usually take my time doing that and frankly God cannot get through to many of us because we simply would not hear it..would be above our current tolerance level for comprehension...that applies across the board, in other words I include myself in that observation
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ok eg...do you see in post 8 how watcher states 'this prophecy has been fulfilled'? that is what I started posting about...he was addressing the video posted by the op
in post 9 you said 'they', meaning the Israelites, have never returned to their land and watcher brings up Ez chapter 8
thing is, you often have to look at the framing of a passage to better understand it and in this case that would mean going beyond the frame of Ez 37:1-10
in fact, I brought in Isaiah whose prophecy concerning a nation being formed in one day was fulfilled as per the article I lined to regarding the events just after WWII
when I wrote I cannot believe the ignorance of some, (post 15)I meant SOME and not everyone and no one in particular...but God works in history and the history reveals we have a ginormous prophetic word fulfilled and it is amazing
I have always liked history and many lessons to be learned there...history does repeat itself it is a truism and not just an expression
in post 9 you said 'they', meaning the Israelites, have never returned to their land and watcher brings up Ez chapter 8
thing is, you often have to look at the framing of a passage to better understand it and in this case that would mean going beyond the frame of Ez 37:1-10
in fact, I brought in Isaiah whose prophecy concerning a nation being formed in one day was fulfilled as per the article I lined to regarding the events just after WWII
when I wrote I cannot believe the ignorance of some, (post 15)I meant SOME and not everyone and no one in particular...but God works in history and the history reveals we have a ginormous prophetic word fulfilled and it is amazing
I have always liked history and many lessons to be learned there...history does repeat itself it is a truism and not just an expression
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You never give up do you?
these are the facts
the man said something about Israel and 1948 in relation to Ezekiel 37.
I Kindly said isreal looks nothing like Ezekiel 37
You jumped in once again (evidently not understanding the context of what I was saying ) and I asked you to prove where it does look like Ezekiel 37
You still will not answer because you know I am right
the reason we do not get along is because you have this habit of jumping into Conversations I try to have not having the slightest idea of what I am saying. And when I call you out about it this is the way you act
Good day with you
these are the facts
the man said something about Israel and 1948 in relation to Ezekiel 37.
I Kindly said isreal looks nothing like Ezekiel 37
You jumped in once again (evidently not understanding the context of what I was saying ) and I asked you to prove where it does look like Ezekiel 37
You still will not answer because you know I am right
the reason we do not get along is because you have this habit of jumping into Conversations I try to have not having the slightest idea of what I am saying. And when I call you out about it this is the way you act
Good day with you
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Dispensationalsim does not say otherwise
if your going to try to attack a doctrine, at least get to know what it really believes.
the biggest downfall I see with people against dispensationalism in its true form is they continually prove they haven’t the slightest idea what it really teaches and what it’s core foundation is
if your going to try to attack a doctrine, at least get to know what it really believes.
the biggest downfall I see with people against dispensationalism in its true form is they continually prove they haven’t the slightest idea what it really teaches and what it’s core foundation is