Why do "bible believing" Christian use "reality" to justify what they believe?

[know1]

There is nothing flawed in asking God to given you something you needed. I guess you did not know your parents well my kids do. They know that id they go to the Store and ask me Can I have 16pk of beer then throw in my face you said to ask you for what ever I want, I would laugh because they have asked What I will not do. God will not given you what is not for HIS glory and HE can say no. You need to learn the lesson of Importunity . And not blankly judge all on the error of a few.

I never said we shouldn't seek God to know what His will is. I am doing that now concerning what to do and the direction to take.
I therefore CANNOT use promises like Mk 11:24, BECAUSE I don't know what the will of God is and it just isn't written there in that promise.
To know what God wants me to do or what His will is for me, I must first turn to the promise in James.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

The above promise states, God WILL GIVE wisdom to the person seeking it, but what if I add, only if it is His will, though?
Did that change the promise any?
Of course it did.
First off, He already stated what His will was, didn't He?
He said, if any ask for the wisdom they lack, "IT SHALL BE GIVEN TO HIM".
So I don't need to add "His will" to an already perfect promise, to make it any truer than it already is.
Because if I did add that to the above promise, I could NOT ask in faith, because I would not have any, and I would definitely be double minded and waver, because I would be WONDERING without KNOWING IF God will give me the wisdom I need.
Even though we, as parents, would not give our children something that would be harmful, God, though He desires and tries to protect us, still allows His children to choose, not only what they THINK they need, but what they desire as well.

Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore [I hope you or please] choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

God has set before us both life AND DEATH, blessing AND CURSING, but has left the choice of what happens to us, up to us.
He NEVER said, He would not give us the things we desire, just DON'T turn from Him, or we WILL perish.
Because ALL the promises in Christ Jesus are ALWAYS, YES AND AMEN.
We are NOT little children without any sense of right or wrong, good or bad, but what does that have to do with a righteous son or daughter of God asking for something they desire.

Psa 37:3 Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed.
Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

If their intent is not righteous, they know that, and therefore will NOT have any confidence in receiving anything from God.
But if their heart and intent is righteous and good, they will not have any doubt about what their heavenly Father will do for them, for it is written, "...how much more shall you Father, which is in heaven, give good things to them that ask?"
It is not a sin or a bad thing to ask for things we desire.
A nice home, vehicle, clothes, money, and the like.
What God warns us against is lusting or coveting after those things and loving and trusting in said things more than in Him.
But that choice is still ours to make.
Again, if our heart is not right or we have evil motives, then we know God sees that, and God will see to it that that person does not get their request.
Now, if you think having nice things would cause you to fall away or turn from God, then wisdom would be, to do without, and if you don't know if you can handle those things or what God's will is, then again, we need to ask and seek God on that,using His promise in James, but you can't use a promise like Mk 11:23 or 24, because there is no guarantee God will give you anything, because you don't know what His will is FIRST.
You go to James first, and then AFTER YOU KNOW what His will is, THEN you can go before the throne of grace boldly and with confidence to make your request known, and then it SHALL BE GIVEN to you, because God PROMISED.
Always, always, always go to and use a promise of God, without adding anything to it, for answered prayer, because He watches over and hastens to perform HIS word, NOT your or our.
My faith is only in God, THROUGH His word or promises. But if the guarantee of God doing what He said He would do, is removed and replace with UNCERTAINTY, then I can have NO faith.
His word is the rock upon which I stand, NOT the sand you make it into by adding the will of God.
The whole point of the thread was to point out what Christians are doing with, and to, both the word and promises of God. That being, interpreting and/or making it fit their belief or understanding due to and because of experiences or the fails thereof.
I choose to leave and believe scripture, or what is written, AS IS, and let God take care of the rest.

 

[know1]

I never said everything in life is a blessing.

I know, but you did indicate suffering from a sicknesses with a purpose, was a blessing or a good thing, and that I do NOT agree with.

 

[bojack]

It use to be, years ago, most would use scripture as their authority, to argue their point.
Now, most use the real world as their authority and to trump the truths of the bible.
I hear many say they believe the bible as the truth and even that it is the inerrant word of God, written through holy men of old who were moved by the Holy Ghost, only for them to completely ignore what is written and state what others are doing or what happened to others or themselves, as though, by stating such, proves said statement is the evidence of what is the real truth and true authority to follow.
The bible seems to have become irrelevant in today's church and to so-called believers.
I ask many, "what is written?", only for it to go ignored or for them to tell me what happened to someone or what so and so did, or what is happening in the "real world".
What in God's green earth, does that have to do with what truth is?
They don't live in a pipe dream world..., no..., reality dictates what is fact, (considered by them to be truth,) and what is fiction.
If the interpretation doesn't line up with "reality", then it's fiction, and therefore we need to change said interpretation to line up with our FAILED experiences.
Reality therefore, dictates what they should believe and not believe, or what doctrines to believe and which ones to call "doctrines of the devil".
And now, even doctrines used by those who produce, so-called, "bad fruit", are considered bad or evil doctrines, and lies of the devil, while that which truly is bad and evil, such as sickness and poverty, are considered blessings of and from God.
What happened to scripture being the foundation of doctrines?
Words of faith, is a doctrine straight out of the scriptures, yet it is called a lie of the devil, and those whose teach such, such as yours truly, are called heretics, cultist, liars, evil, and corrupt teacher of doctrines of devils, and the like.
So what is your doctrinal authority in and how do you justify it, if it is not in the word of God?
And how can we tell which interpretations are of the truth, both of and from God, and which ones are not, when reality, or the real world, is involved?

Doesn't conforming you mind through the Word and getting to know the mind of Christ prompt your actions and thoughts on other matters ? And aren't there supposed to be fruit of the Spirit plus signs that follow those who believe ? And isn't there a season/time for everything under the Sun

 

[know1]

Name it and claim it, blab it and grab it, what ever you want to call it is not scriptural.

Of course it is.
Those who say otherwise, either don't know what is written, can't accept it, or can't see it.
I proved it many times over without anyone challenging the verses I used.
NICI and BIGI is just a derogatory way of saying, word of faith or WOF.
You know, the thing Paul said he preaches.
And if you don't believe what he said in Romans 10:8 then maybe you should look at Mk 11:23. It says basically the same thing.
And there are many many more, all saying the same thing, over and over again.
So it is soooo scriptural, it's not funny anymore.

The power of suggestion is a very powerful tool for some, and I am sure that healing has taken place in the stage of the entertainers. Making a mockery of God's order.

Suggesting something and altering your reality are two entirely different beasts.

But answer me this....was the fruit that Adam and Eve ate good for them? They thought so.
Certainly Paul's faith was strong but the pain in his side remained.
After wrestling with the angel all night did Jacob leap for joy or walk away with a limp?

What does that have to do with the promises of God?
Are you a toddler, not knowing what is good for you or your children and what is not?
Some things, such as power over individuals, is not good for some people to have, because they can't handle it with the grace of God.
And some people can't handle money or expensive things, that depends on their relationship with God.
But asking for such is NOT bad, nor is it a sin.
As stated in prior posts, the love of, lust, and trust in those things, is bad and a sin.

In fact you say Paul stands on the word of faith and teaches as such but yet he instructs Timothy to drink a little wine to calm his belly. Paul expresses words such as endurance, fighting the good fight,

I dare say, Paul didn't understand what God was telling Him at the time.
Just like I didn't understand what God told me one time.
He told me to stop saying something I thought was fine.
He even told me why it was bad, but I still failed to see how it was bad.
It took about two months before I finally understood what He was saying and why, but at the time, I did not understand.
I think the same thing happened to Paul, and here's why.
God said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness", right?
Let me ask you this.
Was God's grace sufficient to save you from your sins and hell, and His strength made perfect to save you because of your inability to do it yourself? In that, you had no power to cleanse or save yourself, because of your weakness or lack of power/strength/ability.
And now answer me this.
When did God EVER, EVER tell His children to ASK HIM to take care of a demonic spirit?
NEVER!!!
He told us to take our authority in Jesus' name and command that beast to leave, like Paul did with the girl who had a spirit of divination. He cast the thing out of her in the name of Jesus.
And in so doing, and because of Paul's inability and lack of power to cast the thing out without God's power or strenght, God's grace was sufficient and His strength made perfect for Paul to cast the thing out of the girl.
That same power was available for Paul to use against the messenger of satan.
God was NOT telling Paul, no.
He was telling him, 'you do it, my grace and power is sufficient, now you cast the thing out'.
"And these signs will follow them that believe, they shall ask God to take care of the devil and He will remove the thing."
Is that how it is written?
NO.
He said, we "shall cast out devils", not God. We do it through and by His power in His name.
That is all Paul had to do, command the thing to go, in the name of Jesus.
Again it is written, "resist the devil, and he will flee".
You don't resist an attacker with just a shield or nothing at all to defend yourself. No, in order for one to resist and drive the attacker away or flee, one must use a weapon, or in this case, the sword of the Lord, which is the word of God.
You resist the devil and his messenger by using that sword or promises of God's word, and you do that by speaking His word verbally.
Again it is written, "rejoice not that the [evil or unclean] spirits are subject unto you".
They were just as subject to Paul, IF he had just used his authority in Christ Jesus, as they were to the disciples.
And that IS fighting the good fight of faith.
Not by standing there, getting beat to a pulp or over the head, doing nothing but wining and complaining about it.

 

[know1]

Doesn't conforming you mind through the Word and getting to know the mind of Christ prompt your actions and thoughts on other matters ? And aren't there supposed to be fruit of the Spirit plus signs that follow those who believe ? And isn't there a season/time for everything under the Sun

Not when you use your experiences in or realities of life, or that of others, to dictate what direction and form that conforming of the mind takes.
The bible us to dig deep and lay our foundation in and on the rock, which is the word of God.
Instead, so-called believers are laying or forming their foundation on there experiences, which is sand, and using said experiences to dictate and direct their understanding of the promises of God.
For example, many, if not most Christians will inject the will of God in Mk 11:23 and 24, when it is not written there.
They do that, and maybe you do it to, because it makes more sense as to why they didn't get what they asked for, based solely on their experiences and/or that of others.
That should not be.
We should accept what is written, AS IS, instead of trying to make it into something it is not.

 

[bojack]

Not when you use your experiences in or realities of life, or that of others, to dictate what direction and form that conforming of the mind takes.
The bible us to dig deep and lay our foundation in and on the rock, which is the word of God.
Instead, so-called believers are laying or forming their foundation on there experiences, which is sand, and using said experiences to dictate and direct their understanding of the promises of God.
For example, many, if not most Christians will inject the will of God in Mk 11:23 and 24, when it is not written there.
They do that, and maybe you do it to, because it makes more sense as to why they didn't get what they asked for, based solely on their experiences and/or that of others.
That should not be.
We should accept what is written, AS IS, instead of trying to make it into something it is not.

Ha, I do accept the Word as it is written , I simply said in other words that I can apply it to all things that come up in realities of life ..

 

[pottersclay]

Of course it is.
Those who say otherwise, either don't know what is written, can't accept it, or can't see it.
I proved it many times over without anyone challenging the verses I used.
NICI and BIGI is just a derogatory way of saying, word of faith or WOF.
You know, the thing Paul said he preaches.
And if you don't believe what he said in Romans 10:8 then maybe you should look at Mk 11:23. It says basically the same thing.
And there are many many more, all saying the same thing, over and over again.
So it is soooo scriptural, it's not funny anymore.



Suggesting something and altering your reality are two entirely different beasts.



What does that have to do with the promises of God?
Are you a toddler, not knowing what is good for you or your children and what is not?
Some things, such as power over individuals, is not good for some people to have, because they can't handle it with the grace of God.
And some people can't handle money or expensive things, that depends on their relationship with God.
But asking for such is NOT bad, nor is it a sin.
As stated in prior posts, the love of, lust, and trust in those things, is bad and a sin.



I dare say, Paul didn't understand what God was telling Him at the time.
Just like I didn't understand what God told me one time.
He told me to stop saying something I thought was fine.
He even told me why it was bad, but I still failed to see how it was bad.
It took about two months before I finally understood what He was saying and why, but at the time, I did not understand.
I think the same thing happened to Paul, and here's why.
God said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness", right?
Let me ask you this.
Was God's grace sufficient to save you from your sins and hell, and His strength made perfect to save you because of your inability to do it yourself? In that, you had no power to cleanse or save yourself, because of your weakness or lack of power/strength/ability.
And now answer me this.
When did God EVER, EVER tell His children to ASK HIM to take care of a demonic spirit?
NEVER!!!
He told us to take our authority in Jesus' name and command that beast to leave, like Paul did with the girl who had a spirit of divination. He cast the thing out of her in the name of Jesus.
And in so doing, and because of Paul's inability and lack of power to cast the thing out without God's power or strenght, God's grace was sufficient and His strength made perfect for Paul to cast the thing out of the girl.
That same power was available for Paul to use against the messenger of satan.
God was NOT telling Paul, no.
He was telling him, 'you do it, my grace and power is sufficient, now you cast the thing out'.
"And these signs will follow them that believe, they shall ask God to take care of the devil and He will remove the thing."
Is that how it is written?
NO.
He said, we "shall cast out devils", not God. We do it through and by His power in His name.
That is all Paul had to do, command the thing to go, in the name of Jesus.
Again it is written, "resist the devil, and he will flee".
You don't resist an attacker with just a shield or nothing at all to defend yourself. No, in order for one to resist and drive the attacker away or flee, one must use a weapon, or in this case, the sword of the Lord, which is the word of God.
You resist the devil and his messenger by using that sword or promises of God's word, and you do that by speaking His word verbally.
Again it is written, "rejoice not that the [evil or unclean] spirits are subject unto you".
They were just as subject to Paul, IF he had just used his authority in Christ Jesus, as they were to the disciples.
And that IS fighting the good fight of faith.
Not by standing there, getting beat to a pulp or over the head, doing nothing but wining and complaining about it.

Oh like these people?

“Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. And He said to them, “It is written, My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a den of thieves.’ ”

I dare say, Paul didn't understand what God was telling Him at the time

Pretty strong assumption

Are you a toddler, not knowing what is good for you or your children and what is not?

Again should the clay tell the Potter what it should be?

 

[know1]

Again should the clay tell the Potter what it should be?

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Even though you ignored my questions, I'll answer yours.
No.
So I say again, what's your point?
Is it because you're trying to let me know, that pottersclay shouldn't try to tell the potter what His word says based on his experiences?
Well, I agree with you then, you shouldn't.

 

[Blade]

Hey someone said "Oh like these people? " If I understand whats written. Those are from the sheep and goats. When Christ returns. Gathers the nations right after the great tribulation. Key words in all this is "if you have done it to the least of theses you've done it unto me" oops whats left out is "my brethren, ". God never has called sinners that know Him not as His brethren. Its how did the sheep and goats treat "His brethren" during the great tribulation.

If we know God hears us... do you know IF God hears you? The word OT NT makes this very clear. Then you would know you have/receive the petitions/prayers you asked for. "But wait..whats Gods will?" Pick up that bible. You have GODS WILL in your hands.

Were told this is not our home. Really truly believe that do we? We say I LOVE JESUS! Really? We truly love someone we don't know never meet? We really believe Jesus is the ONLY WAY to the Father? Yet day in day out we pass person after person and never say a word. Yet we KNOW He is the only way and that we might be the only light they ever see. This is what I ask my self.

So how are you going to tell others what they see every day live ever day feel ever day hear every day .. is not real. These signs shall follow them that believe. So all of this is true because? You say so? Or I say so? Or others say its not? Do you see?

The point is as Christ said these signs follow them that believe. Peter and John.. why look at us as if we did this by our own power. Its FAITH in that name. God can not lie. LOOK at that word and read it KNOWING He can never lie. Knowing that His will IS His word. Start small. Work your faith. He is so real. Take the TIME to know HIM! He is more real then your parents your best friend.. ask Him