Oneness or trinity, Is Jesus God or man?

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watcher2013

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Don't get drawn into an argument with him. He is a messenger of satan here to cause you to stumble.
A believer of Lord Yeshua the Christ and Saviour...
Calling by christian a messenger of satan...
I wonder...maybe Christian have different meaning..
 
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Think before you speak...thats your belief...he has divine nature
It looks like his also.

Super divine nature . Supernatural. Without beginning. Same kind we have yet without sin .

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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A believer of Lord Yeshua the Christ and Saviour...
Calling by christian a messenger of satan...
I wonder...maybe Christian have different meaning..
Christian can deceive other Christians .We must search the scriptures daily to see if it is so. The daily bread needed to do His will.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Christian can deceive other Christians .We must search the scriptures daily to see if it is so. The daily bread needed to do His will.
Can a person who denies the Divinity of Christ be a Christian?
 
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kaylagrl

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No he did not...
He explicitly said...the one true God is the Father.

Thomas...
They were told about one true God.
They were told. God is spirit..
They were told that the father is in him.

Did Jesus said...here touch me...put your finger in my side...

Now the salutation.
My lord..to Christ
My God to Father.


John 10 - I and the Father are one.

John 8 - Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.

John 10- I and the Father are one.” The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

John said "18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and[b] is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Is 44- Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Acts 4 Peter says -
It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is
“‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’[a]
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”



Matt. 28-And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Mark 2-“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

So according to you Jesus was a fraud and a liar. He was killed because He claimed to be God.
 
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kaylagrl

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Christian can deceive other Christians .We must search the scriptures daily to see if it is so. The daily bread needed to do His will.
I don't know what he searching, but it isn't the Bible. Overwhelming Scripture that proves him utterly wrong.
 
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kaylagrl

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Think before you speak...thats your belief...he has divine nature
Someone help me here. Am I speaking pig Latin? Yes, Jesus is both God and Man. Just like He said, just as He claimed, in His Word, the Bible.
 
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kaylagrl

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Don't get drawn into an argument with him. He is a messenger of satan here to cause you to stumble.
Well he has a big job ahead of him. I've been in church all my life. I was in ministry 20 yrs. My family is full of pastors and evangelists. One thing we all know, Jesus is God!! No cultist is about to change my mind.
 
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kaylagrl

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A believer of Lord Yeshua the Christ and Saviour...
Calling by christian a messenger of satan...
I wonder...maybe Christian have different meaning..

No, you don't believe in Christ. Christ was a fraud and a liar according to you.
 
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No. It does not contradict the scriptures..it always is. God even the Father does not change..
He is the immortal, invisible, all knowing.
Maybe it contradict your understanding but not the scriptures.
The problem you will not be able to cunningly reframe is the deity of Jesus.

IOW who he is.
Not your perception of Him,but WHO He is.
If he is deity then he is eternal past and future.

....and He is.

In hebrews it says that the Father declares over the Son "thy throne o God is Forever and ever"

There is no clever way around what is declared.
 
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As the old song says, "You ask me how I know He lives, He LIVES within my heart. You can go and find the remains of Buddha, Krishna and Muhammad, but you will not find the remains of Jesus. He rose is and is sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Yes. The grave could not Hold Him.
He resurrected Himself.
There in lies another problem for you.
Jesus said "destroy this temple and in 3 days I WILL RAISE IT UP"

That is Why It HAD TO BE GOD on the cross. Only God could resurrect. No other man could resurrect himself.
 
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Inseparable...did the divine nature die as well?
You miss the dynamic entirety.
The purpose of the cross was to have a SINLESS SACRIFICE.
So....it HAD TO BE GOD on the cross.

HAD TO BE.

ONLY a sinless sacrifice would do ...A GOD MAN.

A MAN THAT WAS GOD.
 
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Can a person who denies the Divinity of Christ be a Christian?
If they’re a new Christian I’d say yes. Babies don’t know anything and have to be taught. Now, after years of saying they’re saved and they still deny this, then they are not. Remember John 8:24.
 

posthuman

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So his divine self...left the human self to die..at the hour of death...

Selfish divine nature.
The fact you are calling God selfish ought to be a big whopping clue that you've got some wrong ideas you're working from.

Death couldn't hold Him. He laid down His life and took it up again. He is made priest by the power of an indestructible life.

He did not just left heaven...he left immortality.
He is THE Life. Stronger than death.
The death of the body doesn't show anyone isn't immortal; it shows the body isn't. And guess what? He rose up, bodily, with no corruption in His flesh. No decay.

The soldiers at the cross - not people unfamiliar with death - saw how He died and said surely this is the Son of God.
 

Nehemiah6

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Can a person who denies the Divinity of Christ be a Christian?
No. Indeed no one can be saved unless he or she believes that Jesus is GOD. That is exactly what Christ said. Only God as the Man Christ Jesus could take away the sin of the world. And only the blood of Christ can cleanse the soul.
 
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I’m amazed that such unchristian postings have been allowed to be posted on a Christian message board. :( :cry:
 

Whispered

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The Son of man (No power) and the Son of God (The power) must be rightfully divided if we desire to find the truth revealed.

Job 9 informs us. Eternal God is "not a man as us" and neither is there any flesh mediator on earth to stand between the father the eternal not seen and us seen .Even Jesus as the Son of man refused to stand in the Holy unseen place as a abomination of desolation.
When called Good Master he refused to accept that honor but rather said in respect to the father. One is Good God. Call no man daysman on earth . One is our teaching master in heaven one is our father id heaven Call no man either Master or Father of earth .

Matthew 19:15-17 (KJV) And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus as the Son of God after the manner of melchedik is eternal God as savior is reckoned without beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

Do DNA needed to keep a genealogy record. It ended at the birth of Christ our high priest continually .Therefore giving us clear warning .that even though some did know Christ after what the eyes see needed to give the one time promised outward demonstration of the invisible work of the father . Some did know him that way. that window of 33 year opportunity closed when he vanished out of sight. But no more forever more, as if God was a man as us to begin with

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Hebrew 7:3


2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
Jesus was/is God. I don't know where you are getting your Theology from.