Oneness or trinity, Is Jesus God or man?

[watcher2013]

You have a very unique POV. 😵

Just reading what it said....it is my soul at stake..if my soul go to lake of fire...i cannot blame 20 pastors and 100 evangelists...that brought me there...i will blame myself for not hearing by reading it from the apostles themselves and Jesus.
When Jesus said the Father is the one true God...i believed him.he is the one who has seen God...His wholeness.
If Jesus said He is the Son of God..i believed him...

 

[watcher2013]

Something to think about when trying to understand the difference of God and the oneness of God at the same time is that the feasts that God gives to help us understand His plan for us.

We are asked to celebrate and praise Him for each step of His plan for us except for celebrating the birth of Jesus as a man. Man made Christmas celebration for that, but God did not ask us to celebrate His earthly birth. The gospel of John starts by pointing out the Jesus is the word and that word was from the beginning.

Here lies some problem..making a story out from the story.

 

[watcher2013]

If they’re a new Christian I’d say yes. Babies don’t know anything and have to be taught. Now, after years of saying they’re saved and they still deny this, then they are not. Remember John 8:24.

Even babes were told that Jesus is the Son of God...read acts 8...philip and eunuch...
Read acts 10...cornellius house..

 

[kaylagrl]

Just reading what it said....it is my soul at stake..if my soul go to lake of fire...i cannot blame 20 pastors and 100 evangelists...that brought me there...i will blame myself for not hearing by reading it from the apostles themselves and Jesus.
When Jesus said the Father is the one true God...i believed him.he is the one who has seen God...His wholeness.
If Jesus said He is the Son of God..i believed him...

No, you don't believe what Jesus said at all. Jesus accepted worship, He healed, He forgave sin. Only God can do those things. I don't know what cult has brain washed you but I hope you learn the truth before it's too late. You are utterly wrong and are not a Christian if you do not believe in the deity of Christ. His disciples believed it, He was killed because of it.

 

[kaylagrl]

Even babes were told that Jesus is the Son of God...read acts 8...philip and eunuch...
Read acts 10...cornellius house..

No one denies He is the Son.

 

[watcher2013]

No, you don't believe what Jesus said at all. Jesus accepted worship, He healed, He forgave sin. Only God can do those things. I don't know what cult has brain washed you but I hope you learn the truth before it's too late. You are utterly wrong and are not a Christian if you do not believe in the deity of Christ. His disciples believed it, He was killed because of it.

Hebrews 1...When God brought his begotten into the world..he said..Let ALL the angels of God worship him...

When God said thou shall not kill...The same God..allowed them to kill their enemies...
As in Hebrews 1...
God allow the worship of the Son..
God appointed the Son to be Heir
Jesus himself said...The Son has the power to forgive sin...

In the Old testament...elijah..healed..even resurrect a child...will that make him god???

Jesus never claimed He was God...He said his Father is God...
Jesus said..He is the Son of God...
Jesus said...The Father is the one true God...
After Resurrection..
He said..I go to the Father your Father....My God..your God...

 

[watcher2013]

In general...
No one had seen God...
No one knows what He do..what he totally look like...what are all the powers of God...
No one here can tell at what time did God create the angels..how many they are...
We are limited on What the totality of a true God...

The only one who had seen him is the Son...

He is the only one can tell who God really is...
since He came from God and he is the express image of his person...

do not believe someone who will read a scriptures and said..oh..this means he is god...
read the scriptures..

God is the Saviour... but God made Yeshua, Prince and Saviour
God is Lord - but God made Yeshua..Christ and Lord..
So we have one God even the Father..and Lord Christ Yeshua...

 

[kaylagrl]

Hebrews 1...When God brought his begotten into the world..he said..Let ALL the angels of God worship him...

And your point is what? Only God is worthy of praise and worship. Therefore, my point remains true and you're still wrong/

When God said thou shall not kill...The same God..allowed them to kill their enemies...
As in Hebrews 1...
God allow the worship of the Son..
God appointed the Son to be Heir
Jesus himself said...The Son has the power to forgive sin...

There is a difference between murder and killing. Let's get that straight first. Secondly, God said He shares His Glory with no one. He "allowed" worship of Jesus because He is deity, He is God. This is why he was crucified.

In the Old testament...elijah..healed..even resurrect a child...will that make him god???

No, he didn't heal anyone, God did. But he didn't accept worship and he never claimed to be God.

Jesus never claimed He was God...He said his Father is God...

No, He said both. You've been blown out of the water with Scripture proving you wrong.

Jesus said..He is the Son of God...

No one said he didn't.

Jesus said...The Father is the one true God...

And He is.

After Resurrection..
He said..I go to the Father your Father....My God..your God...

Exactly. Still doesn't change my point.

 

[watcher2013]

And your point is what? Only God is worthy of praise and worship. Therefore, my point remains true and you're still wrong/



There is a difference between murder and killing. Let's get that straight first. Secondly, God said He shares His Glory with no one. He "allowed" worship of Jesus because He is deity, He is God. This is why he was crucified.



No, he didn't heal anyone, God did. But he didn't accept worship and he never claimed to be God.




No, He said both. You've been blown out of the water with Scripture proving you wrong.



No one said he didn't.



And He is.



Exactly. Still doesn't change my point.

My point...God allowed the worship of his Son...so he deserved worship...
Why Did god allowed worship of His Son
the Father is God...if He said it..then it must be done...I do not question nor assume any reason.
the point about elijah is your justification that Jesus healed then you come up in the conclusion that he is God.

Where in the scriptures Jesus said he is God?...verbatim like when he said..the Father is the one true God. My. God..your God.

About him being Son of God...
Jesus himself said in John 9 He is the son of God... directly
Peter in Acts 10..preached He is the Son of God...
None in scriptures directly said Jesus is God,,,but you will see verses and they will said..oh this mean this. When they say these..read the whole chapter...

 

[kaylagrl]

In general...
No one had seen God...

I don't know if you're being obtuse or you're so brain washed you can't understand this. Jesus is God, therefore He has seen God. He became a man, died, rose again and is living at the right hand of the Father. One God three personalities, if you will. Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Like the egg, all one egg but different parts.

No one knows what He do..what he totally look like...what are all the powers of God...

Does, God knows what He does, because He's God. Jesus is God. You're chasing your tail here.

No one here can tell at what time did God create the angels..how many they are...
We are limited on What the totality of a true God...
The only one who had seen him is the Son...

Who is God.

He is the only one can tell who God really is...

Because He's God.

since He came from God and he is the express image of his person...

do not believe someone who will read a scriptures and said..oh..this means he is god...
read the scriptures..

No, don't read the Scriptures! If you do you'll find out.. gasp... Jesus is God!!

God is the Saviour... but God made Yeshua, Prince and Savior

That's not what Jesus said. And that's not what the Bible says. Jesus is not a created being.

God is Lord - but God made Yeshua..Christ and Lord..
So we have one God even the Father..and Lord Christ Yeshua...

God in three persons. Jesus is God, He claimed to be God, He was crucified for claiming to be God.

 

[watcher2013]

I don't know if you're being obtuse or you're so brain washed you can't understand this. Jesus is God, therefore He has seen God. He became a man, died, rose again and is living at the right hand of the Father. One God three personalities, if you will. Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Like the egg, all one egg but different parts.



Does, God knows what He does, because He's God. Jesus is God. You're chasing your tail here.





Who is God.




Because He's God.




No, don't read the Scriptures! If you do you'll find out.. gasp... Jesus is God!!






That's not what Jesus said. And that's not what the Bible says. Jesus is not a created being.



God in three persons. Jesus is God, He claimed to be God, He was crucified for claiming to be God.

Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

In Heaven their angels behold the face of my father...so how many Gods...three or thousands of thousands of thousands.

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

In the scriptures..numerous verses directly called Jesus a man..the man..
Can please show at least one that directly calling him God..

 

[kaylagrl]

My point...God allowed the worship of his Son...so he deserved worship...

He deserves worship because He is God. God shares His glory with no one.

Why Did god allowed worship of His Son
the Father is God...if He said it..then it must be done...I do not question nor assume any reason.

You don't have to assume a reason, Jesus told you the reason, He's God.

the point about elijah is your justification that Jesus healed then you come up in the conclusion that he is God.

When the disciples healed they did so in whose name? Jesus!! Why? Because (say it with me) Jesus is God!!

Where in the scriptures Jesus said he is God?...verbatim like when he said..the Father is the one true God. My. God..your God.

You've been given verse after verse. Jesus said He was the "I AM" that is what God said from the burning bush. "I AM" Verbatim, there is the only verse you need.

About him being Son of God...
Jesus himself said in John 9 He is the son of God... directly.Peter in Acts 10..preached He is the Son of God...

I believe you're stuck on repeat. No one has said He isn't the Son of God, yes, He said He was. He also said He was God. The Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God.

None in scriptures directly said Jesus is God,,,

That's a lie. It was said in the OT and the NT. Jesus said it, His disciples said it, God said it.

but you will see verses and they will said..oh this mean this. When they say these..read the whole chapter...

If you can read and comprehend what you are reading you will acknowledge that the Bible says Jesus is God. Only cults believe Jesus isn't God. Christians believe what Jesus said.

 

[watcher2013]

He deserves worship because He is God. God shares His glory with no one.






You don't have to assume a reason, Jesus told you the reason, He's God.





When the disciples healed they did so in whose name? Jesus!! Why? Because (say it with me) Jesus is God!!





You've been given verse after verse. Jesus said He was the "I AM" that is what God said from the burning bush. "I AM" Verbatim, there is the only verse you need.



I believe you're stuck on repeat. No one has said He isn't the Son of God, yes, He said He was. He also said He was God. The Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God.




That's a lie. It was said in the OT and the NT. Jesus said it, His disciples said it, God said it.





If you can read and comprehend what you are reading you will acknowledge that the Bible says Jesus is God. Only cults believe Jesus isn't God. Christians believe what Jesus said.

Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

When Jesus said..I AM...as I said..read the whole chapter vs. 26
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.


As I said...

I am in agreement..before we see Yeshua...

There was the Word...

 

[kaylagrl]

Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
In Heaven their angels behold the face of my father...so how many Gods...three or thousands of thousands of thousands.

One God, three personalities/ persons.

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

What are you saying? What point are you making please.

Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

In the scriptures..numerous verses directly called Jesus a man..the man..
Can please show at least one that directly calling him God..

Jesus was a man, yes, He took on the form of man. And I'm not showing you verses again. All kinds of verses have proven you wrong and then you ask for one verse when you've been given dozens. You've been brain washed and you're stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the Word of God. You've soundly been proven wrong. Go back, read the verses.

 

[kaylagrl]

Rom 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.

Doesn't change my point.

When Jesus said..I AM...as I said..read the whole chapter vs. 26
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Yes! The Father! God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost!! Plug one ear and listen!!! Three in one! ONE GOD, three persons.


As I said...

I am in agreement..before we see Yeshua...

There was the Word...[/QUOTE]

 

[watcher2013]

One God, three personalities/ persons.




What are you saying? What point are you making please.





Jesus was a man, yes, He took on the form of man. And I'm not showing you verses again. All kinds of verses have proven you wrong and then you ask for one verse when you've been given dozens. You've been brain washed and you're stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the Word of God. You've soundly been proven wrong. Go back, read the verses.

there is only One God..the only true God even the Father...
Son is the express image of the invisible God...

The form:
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

the importance in the flesh...
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

He need to be a man to taste death..for every man...

 

[watcher2013]

Doesn't change my point.






Yes! The Father! God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost!! Plug one ear and listen!!! Three in one! ONE GOD, three persons.


As I said...

I am in agreement..before we see Yeshua...

There was the Word...

[/QUOTE]
I do not change your point...I am expounding your quotation.

Yeah..One God...the only true God the Father.. The Lord God
Yeshua is the Lord Christ...not the Lord God.

 

[gb9]

there is only One God..the only true God even the Father...
Son is the express image of the invisible God...

The form:
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

the importance in the flesh...
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

He need to be a man to taste death..for every man...

" I and My Father are one".

who was the Father? and what would that make the Son if He and the Father are one?

 

[watcher2013]

" I and My Father are one".

who was the Father? and what would that make the Son if He and the Father are one?

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.


Joh 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

I just read...from your quote...Jesus said I am the Son of God...

 

[kaylagrl]

there is only One God..the only true God even the Father...
Son is the express image of the invisible God...

Never said there was more than one God. I'd appreciate if you read what I'm saying instead of just spewing your talking points.



The form:
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

the importance in the flesh...
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

He need to be a man to taste death..for every man...

Never said He wasn't a man. Both your points are moot. I didn't disagree with either.