The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman

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r1xlx said:
Yes.
There are lots like him in these Last Days.
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Jesus guaranteed salvation.
Nobody ever asked Jesus to save them,but the devil stepped in and they received demons instead.

Likewise Jesus said if you being evil know how to answer your kids request, how much more will the heavenly Father GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT to those that ask.

So not only do you ascribe satan to the Holy Spirit,you suggest God dishonors his guarantee.
I am guaranteed when I recieved the baptism in the Holy Spirit that that is EXACTLY what I got WITH speaking in tongues to boot.

Then I see in the WORD OF GOD that my experience is CONFIRMED by His WORD.

You are a theorist and speculator.
 
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r1xlx said:
No humans have gone to heaven.
Jesus said so and I think he would know best.
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John,paul,elisha,enoch, the 2 witnesses,the ripe fruit of rev 14,
They all went to heaven.
 
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r1xlx said:
when you went to heaven as you claim did you see a holy spook flitting about in a big white sheet ?
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Ok
I get it. You are not christian correct?
Not born again?
 
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When the religiously correct accused Jesus of operating and partnering with the devil,Jesus invoked the unpardonable sin on their heads.

When we ascribe devils and demons to Gods people that step out and operate in the Holy Spirit,we give our hearts to the devil.

Chilling what they do.
Scary.
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Did you read the Translate text oN the video in the first minute Kenneth speak in tounge ?

The text say

Lord of darkness, I pray for ........

I don't know what language Kenneth pray but some body put translation oN the bottom say that
 
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John,paul,elisha,enoch, the 2 witnesses,the ripe fruit of rev 14,
They all went to heaven.
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John died and is still in his grave, ditto Paul. Elisha died 2 Kings 13:20 So Elisha died, and they buried him.

You can believe you float off to heaven when you die and Satan will use your foolishness to laugh in GOD's face.
 
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Absolutely said:
Their doctrine has them stop in the clouds and do a uturn back to earth.
It is easily refuted.
Totally debunked
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Let not talk about the doctrine, let trust what the bible say

Matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Context

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
 
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Jackson123 said:
Let not talk about the doctrine, let trust what the bible say

Matt 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Context

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
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Those verses don't say anything about humans floating off to heaven or being raptured and then returned to Earth.
 
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Absolutely said:
Jesus guaranteed salvation.
Nobody ever asked Jesus to save them,but the devil stepped in and they received demons instead.

Likewise Jesus said if you being evil know how to answer your kids request, how much more will the heavenly Father GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT to those that ask.

So not only do you ascribe satan to the Holy Spirit,you suggest God dishonors his guarantee.
I am guaranteed when I recieved the baptism in the Holy Spirit that that is EXACTLY what I got WITH speaking in tongues to boot.

Then I see in the WORD OF GOD that my experience is CONFIRMED by His WORD.

You are a theorist and speculator.
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I also use a KJV Study BIble.
 
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r1xlx said:
when you went to heaven as you claim did you see a holy spook flitting about in a big white sheet ?
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Like I said I had dream about heaven where I saw my daughter. When people lose a child that is not something you make fun of. It does not personally bother me. But it reveals a degree of insensitivity to others that you may want to be careful of.
 
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r1xlx said:
Those verses don't say anything about humans floating off to heaven or being raptured and then returned to Earth.
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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Context

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Verse 1

The coming of our Lord and our gathering unto Him

Gathering unto Him is rapture.

It doesn't say coming back to earth, but It is not my point

My point is rapture happen after man of sin Being reveal

And the coming of the Lord and rapture in the same verse, both happen after man of sin Being reveal

Mat 24 say the coming of the Lordbafter trib not before.
 
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Jackson123 said:
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Context

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Verse 1

The coming of our Lord and our gathering unto Him

Gathering unto Him is rapture.

It doesn't say coming back to earth, but It is not my point

My point is rapture happen after man of sin Being reveal

And the coming of the Lord and rapture in the same verse, both happen after man of sin Being reveal

Mat 24 say the coming of the Lordbafter trib not before.
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I've never said he comes before.
I have a KJV Study Bible and read it properly.
 
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Jackson123 said:
And what is our gathering together with Him in that verse mean?
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If you read 1 Thss1 and then 2 it is perfectly obvious that Paul is telling the Thessalonians to not worry if Jesus does not arrive while they are alive as he cannot come until Satan has put the Antichrist in place.
Verse 9 runs on to describe how Satan facilitates the Antichrist and his blasphemies being accepted by the people who prefer a lie
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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r1xlx said:
If you read 1 Thss1 and then 2 it is perfectly obvious that Paul is telling the Thessalonians to not worry if Jesus does not arrive while they are alive as he cannot come until Satan has put the Antichrist in place.
Verse 9 runs on to describe how Satan facilitates the Antichrist and his blasphemies being accepted by the people who prefer a lie
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Agree.
That mean post trib not Pre trib.
 
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JohnR7 said:
"Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" (Romans 5:9) The Bible is clear that we will be saved from the wrath of God.
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Hi JohnR7!

I wholeheartedly agree! And I would add the following:

"They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath." (1 Thess.1:10)

"But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
 
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r1xlx said:
I haven't said there is no heaven. It would be the height of stupidity to say that. However the Bible teaches that heaven is for GOD not humans.
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I would disagree with that statement. For Jesus promised to return and take all believers to the Father's house (heaven).

"In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and welcome you into My presence, so that you also may be where I am.

The Father's house can be non other than heaven. And Jesus said that He was going there to prepare a place for each believer and that He would come back to take us to where He is. The following is the detailed account of His return to get His church.

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."

In further support of the Lord coming to get His church and take them back to the Father's house in heaven, we see the bride/church in Rev.19:6-8 at the wedding of the Lamb taking place in heaven during the tribulation period. Then Rev.19:14 reveals that the bride/church will be following Christ out of heaven to the earth riding on white horses.
 
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r1xlx said:
Oh dear. So many delusionals about! At 2 Cor 5:8 Paul was lamenting being constantly persecuted for preach the Gospel.
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In 2 Cor.5:8, Paul is speaking about his spirit departing at the time of death and going to be in the presence of the Lord. Philippians 1:23 further supports this:

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body."

While the spirits of believers are in the body they are away from the Lord. For the spirit To be absent from the body is to be in the presence of the Lord. Paul was torn between remaining in the body for the sake of the Philippians or dying so that his spirit could depart and go to be with the Lord.
 
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JohnR7 said:
We do not take our physical body into Heaven. The elements that make up our body return to the earth. We have a spiritual body and that is taken up to be with Jesus. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (1Cor5:8) It would actually be possible for all of our memory to be stored on those atoms. So if and when God brings them back together they would contain all of our memory. I had my son do the math on that. That is with just one bit of information per atom.
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That is not true! When the Lord comes to gather His church/bride, the dead will be resurrected in the same body they died in albeit immortal and glorified. Immediately after that, the living in Christ will be changed immortal and glorified and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air.

When a believer dies, their spirit departs and goes to be with the Lord. But when the resurrection takes place, all of the spirits of those who have died in Christ from the onset of the church, will be reunited with their resurrected bodies and will be taken back to the Father's house, in those immoral and glorified bodies.
 
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