LEARN IT! THAT'S AN ORDER!
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Amo 8:9 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Mat 27:45 (KJV) Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Do you see the correlation between the two verses? The sixth hour is noon. Mat 27 is fulfillment of Amos 8. This was the end of the people of Israel as far as them being used by God for kingdom purposes.
Mat 27:45 (KJV) Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Do you see the correlation between the two verses? The sixth hour is noon. Mat 27 is fulfillment of Amos 8. This was the end of the people of Israel as far as them being used by God for kingdom purposes.
I don't see a correlation between them K16, the physical nation went poof in the war of 66-70 AD never to be God's special people.
It needd to be understood that Jesus' and the apostles ministry was to gather the scattered tribes "the promise of Hosea"
(Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers)
(Acts 26:7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews)
Both Peter and James write to the scattered (diaspora):
(James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting)
(1 Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia)
In letter his letter he quotes Hosea:
(1 Pet 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy)
(Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.)
It needd to be understood that Jesus' and the apostles ministry was to gather the scattered tribes "the promise of Hosea"
(Acts 26:6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers)
(Acts 26:7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews)
Both Peter and James write to the scattered (diaspora):
(James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting)
(1 Pet 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia)
In letter his letter he quotes Hosea:
(1 Pet 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy)
(Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.)
The end of Israel
Doesn’t mean that God will never save another Jew, it just means that God is done with Israel as a people, the kingdom
was taken from them and given to another nation to bring forth the fruits.
In other words Israel being a nation today has nothing to do with God or prophecy, he was done with that nation 2000 years ago.
Doesn’t mean that God will never save another Jew, it just means that God is done with Israel as a people, the kingdom
was taken from them and given to another nation to bring forth the fruits.
In other words Israel being a nation today has nothing to do with God or prophecy, he was done with that nation 2000 years ago.
for 100% absolutely divinely perfect reasons
eternal life is to know Him. i think He intends for us to try to figure it out - i mean, what is the instinctive reaction to someone you are in love with? you hang on every word they say, rolling them all over in your mind, trying to sort out the wonder of them, forever, right?
eternal life is to know Him. i think He intends for us to try to figure it out - i mean, what is the instinctive reaction to someone you are in love with? you hang on every word they say, rolling them all over in your mind, trying to sort out the wonder of them, forever, right?
in Matthew 24, He tells them something about Israel. the disciples ask Him three questions:
He tells them all this and says look, a parable, when you see the fig tree, and all the other trees, putting forth buds, you know the season is nigh.
how do you expect to interpret this as having nothing whatsoever to do with Israel? it's the Messiah, the God of Israel, who is standing in the temple of Israel in the city of Israel in the nation Israel, telling 12 Israeli apostles about the final fate and redemption of Israel.
when all nations are gathered around Israel you will know the fig tree, in the midst of all the other trees, is about to bear fruit.
- when will these things be?
- what is the sign of His coming?
- what is the sign of the end of the age?
He tells them all this and says look, a parable, when you see the fig tree, and all the other trees, putting forth buds, you know the season is nigh.
how do you expect to interpret this as having nothing whatsoever to do with Israel? it's the Messiah, the God of Israel, who is standing in the temple of Israel in the city of Israel in the nation Israel, telling 12 Israeli apostles about the final fate and redemption of Israel.
when all nations are gathered around Israel you will know the fig tree, in the midst of all the other trees, is about to bear fruit.
The central point of that verse is summer. During the spring the trees bud then summer comes and the trees put on new growth.
Jesus is telling them and us to figure out what summer means in the Bible because when summer comes those prophecies will be fulfilled.
The fig tree was cursed and made barren for ever so Israel becoming a nation in 1948 has nothing to do with summer nor the parable of the fig tree.
Jesus is telling them and us to figure out what summer means in the Bible because when summer comes those prophecies will be fulfilled.
The fig tree was cursed and made barren for ever so Israel becoming a nation in 1948 has nothing to do with summer nor the parable of the fig tree.
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well you're wrong about the things in Matthew 24 having already taken place. see for example Zechariah 14:12. did not happen to Rome in 70 AD. so the question 'what fruit did Israel bear' is nonsense, IMO, being predicated on misunderstanding. Christ did not return in 70 AD. Matthew 24 is not fulfilled yet.
but at the end, they will bear the fruit of repentance. they will mourn with a spirit of grace and supplication, see Zechariah 12:10-14
but at the end, they will bear the fruit of repentance. they will mourn with a spirit of grace and supplication, see Zechariah 12:10-14