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Eternal Hell, Annihilationism, or Universalism?
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Full universal-ism in respect to as many as the father gave the Son .Not one more or one less.
Or you could say a remnant. Universal-ism usually denotes every person given the breath of life. It would make the letter of the law without effect. And no need for Mercy .Mercy triumphs over judgement.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Yeah making it up as I go along, I forgot we existed in some I guess god pool of souls before conception..... we always existed like Christ.
Post jumping?
Your original post is disproven in scripture.
Luke 1:41-44
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Jeremiah 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
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Your second post is a separate point. Which also is off base but I can tell you were being sarcastic.
I highlighted where you swapped what was being discussed between your posts.
Don’t even know what you are talking about anymore I don’t mean physical birth coming out of the canal. I mean born as in conception, I didn’t know there were any verses about being alive before conception.
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EleventhHour
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Like I asked before where is that in The BIBLE... or do you follow other religious texts that teach reincarnation or something?
You specifically said
"Before you were born you had no consciousness or the spirit of god, you were basically inanimate matter."
To be BORN (past tense) is the RESULT of birth. To suggest before birth, after being "inanimate matter." already would also suggest after conception.
But I would rather not argue semantics.
You would agree that even one second after conception the babe, is a living person in that womb? (who God knew already)
You seem to misunderstand much of the bible from the posts I've seen of yours.
You also seem to have a chip on your shoulder.
Many strange people from all over the world hop on the internet and claim very outlandish things.
It is not obvious what you believe when you take verses out of context, make crazy statements (even if only through a poor choice of words) and seem to be easily shaken.
Yes you’re right I’m wrong you are the final authority on context. Feel free to post long walls of text about biblical verses taken out context according to you.
It is not hard to see claims that go directly against what scripture says.
Your words.
" I wouldn't be surprised if his grace is beyond measure where we're all worshipping him knowing that even the highest falling creature Satan is reconciled and worshipping him out of love."
God shared prophecy already. If this was the case, you ought to be surprised because it contradicts what is in scripture.
I am sorry if I was harsh but that is just one of maybe 5 things I saw....
The scriptures are true and we can use them to confirm what we believe them to mean in some parts by other parts testifying to the same message. (or disproving our understanding)
Satan will never be "reconciled" if God is honest.
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EleventhHour
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What are you stating then? ... "before you were born" means in the womb.
We are not "inanimate matter" in the womb... correct?
Meant before you were born as in before conception I consider birth at conception when god births you in your mothers womb.
Stating a hope is not the same as quoting scripture out of context I didn’t quote any scripture to back up that claim, because it’s not a biblical claim I can make just a hope.
Maybe the early church historians could of made a theological claim towards it. I don’t know.
...you are post hoping again....
You addressed nothing I said and took one point from a previous post, then argued against that in the post you quoted here.
The post quoted was in response to your suggestion that I was claiming to be an "authority".
I then showed that was not my point and scripture does a fine job proving itself accurate. (discussing context and is important when BOTH of us need to submit to what is true in scripture, and see different meanings from eachother while looking at the same verse)
Anyways, I have no idea why you are replying to me if you sidestep virtually every point I've made.
The out of context verse you used was from exodus about the book of life when God was talking to moses. (we can discuss what it means if you'd like, we may agree on what the book of life is and whos names are in it... I mentioned you used a verse the way you did because you said your beliefs were obvious and I disagreed)
...you are post hoping again....
You addressed nothing I said and took one point from a previous post, then argued against that in the post you quoted here.
The post quoted was in response to your suggestion that I was claiming to be an "authority".
I then showed that was not my point and scripture does a fine job proving itself accurate. (discussing context and is important when BOTH of us need to submit to what is true in scripture, and see different meanings from eachother while looking at the same verse)
Anyways, I have no idea why you are replying to me if you sidestep virtually every point I've made.
The out of context verse you used was from exodus about the book of life when God was talking to moses. (we can discuss what it means if you'd like, we may agree on what the book of life is and whos names are in it... I mentioned you used a verse the way you did because you said your beliefs were obvious and I disagreed)
It’s from revelations not exodus. Never claimed they were obvious. Obviously they aren’t obvious if they are different from mainstream Christianity lol.
Lol well first of all, my mistake. You didn't mention the verse about the book of life in exodus but one of the verses in revelation.
Regardless quoting a partial verse out of context paired with the claims like we are just "matter" in the womb are what made me very confused about your beliefs.
Then when questioned you did claim that your beliefs were "obviously" in line with my questions.
If you use a verse out of context, it doesn't mean you are objectively incorrect in your understanding OF IT.
Let's start over.
(if you want)
Do you not believe in the lake of fire?
Your beliefs are still as confusing to me now as they were when I made my first statement.