Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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Did you learn this doctrine from independent study of the Bible?

Or did others tell you about it?

Because I have been reading the Bible constantly start to finish for over a decade now, and the first time I was made aware that there was a difference between the two kingdoms came from non biblical sources.

And when I was made aware of it, I could not confirm it in scripture in subsequent readings.

You have to use assumption for this doctrine to work along with believing other false doctrines in order for this teaching to appear true.
You just bumped into the "pauline only" doctrine adherants.
And yes,you are right they are way out there in error.
Feldick and some other guy (authored the green letters) are the main gurus they follow.
That doctrine falls apart on several levels
 

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Christ reigns now on David's throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. Proof?

“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

David is still sleeping with his fathers.
Actually, Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father. He is waiting to return as Judge and King.
 

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No circumcision = no physical Israel in the biblical sense.
Soooo, the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog is not referring to a physical place on earth?
 

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Many other passages indicate he spoke of the future. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. It comes without observation. Only the born again can see it, etc.
The blood is corrupt. Christ is flesh and bone but no blood. Our resurrected bodies will be flesh and bone but no blood.
 
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The blood is corrupt. Christ is flesh and bone but no blood. Our resurrected bodies will be flesh and bone but no blood.
But the millennium would then be glorified saints only.
 

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Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.
Death is not destroyed until the GWTJ. Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Soooo, the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog is not referring to a physical place on earth?
(Ezekiel 38-39) happened in Esther. And John uses them symbolically in Revelation.
 
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Actually, Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father. He is waiting to return as Judge and King.
But this happens after the end of the world by fire. And the kingdom is forever.
 

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But the millennium would then be glorified saints only.
No, the saints come back with Him. Those that endured through the trib will be ushered into the kingdom. Again, the earth will be populated.
 
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Okay, I got that.

But where in this verse is it indicated when he would establish his throne?

Obviously there was a huge gap of time between David dying and Christ's birth.

Is it also possible that there would be a huge gap between his birth and his kingdom/throne being established as well?
And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

The kingdom exists since Christ's first advent before the resurrection on the last day, while David sleeps with his fathers.

Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.

Peter says;

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:14–18 (KJV 1900)
 

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(Ezekiel 38-39) happened in Esther. And John uses them symbolically in Revelation.
Of course, symbolically...because if you take it literal, it destroys your private interpretation. You have a way out of everything by claiming symbolism.
 
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No, the saints come back with Him. Those that endured through the trib will be ushered into the kingdom. Again, the earth will be populated.
Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. So you have glorified saints attacking glorified saints when God loses Satan.......
 
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Of course, symbolically...because if you take it literal, it destroys your private interpretation. You have a way out of everything by claiming symbolism.
So you think Russia is not symbolized in Ezekiel?
 

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Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom. So you have glorified saints attacking glorified saints when God loses Satan.......
Nope, not everybody will be glorified saints. Only the Church who returns with the Lord.

Btw, the word is inherit not enter.😉
 
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Nope, not everybody will be glorified saints. Only the Church who returns with the Lord.

Btw, the word is inherit not enter.😉
But only the born again can see the kingdom.
 

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It's a kingdom of faith, not sight. Whatever is not of faith is sin.
Sooo, the four corners of the earth is spiritual not physical? Gog and Magog is spiritual not physical?