Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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pottersclay

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>There is no 7-year tribulation. It lasts throughout the New Covenant era.

>The Church is Israel and God restores us on the last day in the resurrection of believers (biblical Israel) into the New Heavens and Earth.

>Is Jesus God? If so, he rules the nations with a rod of iron now as always.

> Christ bound Satan from deceiving the gentiles when the gospel went global.

> the 1000 years are not the Kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when they end.
Let the saber dance begin😏😏😏
 
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See the kingdom? Must be a physical, visible kingdom....
Paul says the things that are not seen are eternal. And we walk by faith. not sight. And whatever is not of faith is sin. = Only the born again can see the invisible kingdom.
 
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This happens at the end of Christ's 1,000 year reign on the earth after he returned already!

Revelation 19:11; Christ returns on earth with the saints who got the victory over the mark/beast, begins 1,000 year reign after defeating the beast and false prophet.

Revelation 20:7; Satan is loosed out from of his prison after the 1,000 years to attack the camp of the saints with Gog and Magog, then fire comes down from heaven to devour his army.
The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end. What are the 1000 years? John tells us clearly. They represent Satan bound.
 
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Why did you ask for Scripture that would prove there will be a physical Kingdom when you knew no matter what was posted you would deny it?

Please answer. WHEN did Jesus sit on King David's Throne?
Since his resurrection according to many scriptures. The kingdom exists since he first preached it.

And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.” 2 Samuel 7:12–13 (KJV 1900)

The kingdom exists since Christ's first advent before the resurrection on the last day, while David sleeps with his fathers.

Paul says;
“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:25–26 (KJV 1900)
= he must rein until the resurrection on the last day.

Peter says;

“Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.” Acts 2:30–31 (KJV 1900)

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Acts 15:14–18 (KJV 1900)
 
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The 1000 years are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end. What are the 1000 years? John tells us clearly. They represent Satan bound.
Revelation 20:4-7:
"...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...which had not worshiped the beast...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection...they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

So there's a "reigning" happening, is this not a kingdom?
 
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Revelation 20:4-7:
"...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...which had not worshiped the beast...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection...they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

So there's a "reigning" happening, is this not a kingdom?
It is spiritual and presently happening. Satan attacks the kingdom when loosed = the 1000 years are the binding of Satan, not the kingdom.
 

John146

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Where are the "literal" corners? Let's be consistent about "literal where ever possible" if you really believe that.
Absolutely I believe it. It’s in God’s word. There’s nothing in that passage that hints to not take it literally. I know it puts a damper on your beliefs. When something in the word goes against your belief system, you should change your belief system instead of crying symbolism, symbolism!
 

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Revelation 20:4-7:
"...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus...which had not worshiped the beast...they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection...they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison...

So there's a "reigning" happening, is this not a kingdom?
It’s a waste of time. He symbolizes everything, meaning he doesn’t take anything literally.
 
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Absolutely I believe it. It’s in God’s word. There’s nothing in that passage that hints to not take it literally. I know it puts a damper on your beliefs. When something in the word goes against your belief system, you should change your belief system instead of crying symbolism, symbolism!
Do you expect to see any red dragons in orbit anytime soon? Or green horses?
 
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pottersclay

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You need to prove your theory from scripture. If you cannot, and still preach it, you add to God's word.
Theory my mistake I thought we were dealing with scriptural truth.
 
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Theory my mistake I thought we were dealing with scriptural truth.
Only if you can support it with direct quotes from scripture. None support a 7-year tribulation or pre-trib rapture.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Theory my mistake I thought we were dealing with scriptural truth.
I am surprised people still respond to this person.

he seems to think it is his sworn duty to put us all in our place.

its laughable
 
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Only if you can support it with direct quotes from scripture.
This is vanity and madness.

Direct quotes are useless if the scriptures don't mean what they say.

Separating similitudes and literal things in scripture are easily accomplished when the other text near to it is read.

I see no implied symbolism by the scriptures themselves when reading the account regarding Christ's 1,000 year reign in the book of Revelation.
 
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This is vanity and madness.

Direct quotes are useless if the scriptures don't mean what they say.

Separating similitudes and literal things in scripture are easily accomplished when the other text near to it is read.

I see no implied symbolism by the scriptures themselves when reading the account regarding Christ's 1,000 year reign in the book of Revelation.
= you cannot support your claims from direct quotes of scripture = adding to God's word.