If we are going to keep the SABBATH the 7th day, in HEAVEN, Why are not people keeping it now ???
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The days where established regardless and the Sabbath is, was and forever will be. For the Lord our God blessed and sanctified it.
Gen 2:3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation.
God says Continuous worship from one Sabbath to another I will go with that.
Isa 66:23 From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me,” says the LORD.
The Sabbath will be recognized in Heaven. For from one Sabbath to another we shall worship our Lord our God
Gen 2:3 God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation.
God says Continuous worship from one Sabbath to another I will go with that.
Isa 66:23 From one month to the next and from one Sabbath to the next, all people will come to worship me,” says the LORD.
The Sabbath will be recognized in Heaven. For from one Sabbath to another we shall worship our Lord our God
See, I find it interesting that you are using Isaiah 56:6 to claim the Sabbath is valid for NT believers, since it plainly mentions burnt offerings and sacrifices.
And, it is interesting that you are claiming believers fall under the Mosaic Covenant (and Law), likely knowing that multiple Scriptures prove that they are not:
Acts 15
Romans 7:1-6
Ephesians 2:13-15
2 Corinthians 3
Hebrews 7-8
Galatians 3-4
By the way, the issue is, what covenant are you under? Additionally, do you not know that even marriage is a covenant, and there were many human covenants between various individuals or groups throughout time?
Additionally, Paul was speaking to a Roman congregation, which was mixed (Jews and Gentiles). The fact that they did not keep their covenant with God was evidence of their fallen nature. He is not making any argument that the Mosaic Covenant/Law was still in effect for Christians. In fact, in the first six verses of Romans 7, he is claiming the exact opposite.
Again, I recommend that folks read "Freedom in Christ" by Meno Kalisher, and "Sabbath in Christ" by Dale Ratzlaff, if this issue bothers them.
And, I will also repeat that Christians, in union with Christ, strive to be obedient to the commands that apply to THEM. Not ancient Israel. The Mosaic Covenant/Law is not in effect. The fact that the Temple was destroyed in AD 70 and the geneology records were destroyed at that time renders it impossible for the Mosaic system to be restored.
Instead, those claiming that the Sabbath and festivals still apply are, in essence, trying to create their own patchwork quilt so they can cover their spiritual nakedness with it. And, they lack very little understanding of core salvation concepts such as justification by faith alone, imputed righteousness, original sin, and union with Christ.
That isn't their focus. Their focus is: days and diet, days and diet, days and diet, days and diet.
That's what I realize about my Judaizer days. That was pretty much my total focus as far as righteousness went.
And don't be fooled because these guys are all the same. Jesus gets thrown in the backseat, and their obedience to days and diet is the major focus of their life.
And, it is interesting that you are claiming believers fall under the Mosaic Covenant (and Law), likely knowing that multiple Scriptures prove that they are not:
Acts 15
Romans 7:1-6
Ephesians 2:13-15
2 Corinthians 3
Hebrews 7-8
Galatians 3-4
By the way, the issue is, what covenant are you under? Additionally, do you not know that even marriage is a covenant, and there were many human covenants between various individuals or groups throughout time?
Additionally, Paul was speaking to a Roman congregation, which was mixed (Jews and Gentiles). The fact that they did not keep their covenant with God was evidence of their fallen nature. He is not making any argument that the Mosaic Covenant/Law was still in effect for Christians. In fact, in the first six verses of Romans 7, he is claiming the exact opposite.
Again, I recommend that folks read "Freedom in Christ" by Meno Kalisher, and "Sabbath in Christ" by Dale Ratzlaff, if this issue bothers them.
And, I will also repeat that Christians, in union with Christ, strive to be obedient to the commands that apply to THEM. Not ancient Israel. The Mosaic Covenant/Law is not in effect. The fact that the Temple was destroyed in AD 70 and the geneology records were destroyed at that time renders it impossible for the Mosaic system to be restored.
Instead, those claiming that the Sabbath and festivals still apply are, in essence, trying to create their own patchwork quilt so they can cover their spiritual nakedness with it. And, they lack very little understanding of core salvation concepts such as justification by faith alone, imputed righteousness, original sin, and union with Christ.
That isn't their focus. Their focus is: days and diet, days and diet, days and diet, days and diet.
That's what I realize about my Judaizer days. That was pretty much my total focus as far as righteousness went.
And don't be fooled because these guys are all the same. Jesus gets thrown in the backseat, and their obedience to days and diet is the major focus of their life.
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If you claim that you do not interpret the Scripture, then you are deluded. Everyone who reads Scripture interprets it.
By the way, this set of verses is focused on the authenticity of Scripture, and not forbidding interpretation of Scripture.
It is talking about the divine origin of Scripture.
2 Pet 1: 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
This is talking about the Scripture itself, not forbidding interpretation of Scripture.
Do you realize that the Prophets interpreted Scripture, and we have the writings of the Prophets, and these Prophets did not interpret Scripture on their own, but through the Holy Spirit?
That is what is being said. Yet some cultic groups and individuals will claim this is giving them the right to interpret Scripture, and anyone else who thinks differently than their view is practicing "private interpretation". By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if Roman Catholics use it in the same way as cultic groups.
Here are some notes for interested persons.
2 Peter 1:19-20 1:19 prophetic message. Probably the OT. light. Cf. Ps 119:105. day. The day of the Lord, i.e., when God saves his people and judges his enemies (see note on Amos 2:16). morning star. Cf. Num 24:17; Rev 22:16. The night-day (dark-light) contrast refers to Jesus’ return (cf. Rom 13:12; 1 Thess 5:4–9).
1:20–21 Whereas 2 Tim 3:16 (see note) presents the nature of Scripture’s inspiration, this passage presents the method: the human authors of Scripture did not think up what they wrote on their own (contrast “cleverly devised stories” [v. 16] and “fabricated stories” [2:3]); God is the origin of what they prophesied. Humans used their own words (“prophets, though human, spoke”), and those words were just what God wanted them to use (“from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit”).
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)
By the way, this set of verses is focused on the authenticity of Scripture, and not forbidding interpretation of Scripture.
It is talking about the divine origin of Scripture.
2 Pet 1: 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
This is talking about the Scripture itself, not forbidding interpretation of Scripture.
Do you realize that the Prophets interpreted Scripture, and we have the writings of the Prophets, and these Prophets did not interpret Scripture on their own, but through the Holy Spirit?
That is what is being said. Yet some cultic groups and individuals will claim this is giving them the right to interpret Scripture, and anyone else who thinks differently than their view is practicing "private interpretation". By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if Roman Catholics use it in the same way as cultic groups.
Here are some notes for interested persons.
2 Peter 1:19-20 1:19 prophetic message. Probably the OT. light. Cf. Ps 119:105. day. The day of the Lord, i.e., when God saves his people and judges his enemies (see note on Amos 2:16). morning star. Cf. Num 24:17; Rev 22:16. The night-day (dark-light) contrast refers to Jesus’ return (cf. Rom 13:12; 1 Thess 5:4–9).
1:20–21 Whereas 2 Tim 3:16 (see note) presents the nature of Scripture’s inspiration, this passage presents the method: the human authors of Scripture did not think up what they wrote on their own (contrast “cleverly devised stories” [v. 16] and “fabricated stories” [2:3]); God is the origin of what they prophesied. Humans used their own words (“prophets, though human, spoke”), and those words were just what God wanted them to use (“from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit”).
(NIV Biblical Theology Study Bible)
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By the way, when I said "bearing false witness" is not a part of God's moral law, I said this because bearing false witness is against God's moral law, so it is not part of it.
I just want to explain that.
But, if your claim is that all the Ten Commandments are moral in nature, my remark is no, they are not.
The Sabbath is a ceremonial aspect of the Law.
Others would argue that it is moral in nature, even amongst Sunday observers, and would say the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday.
I do not hold that view because I believe in one unified law, which includes all the commandments of God for ancient Israel.
And, the entire Mosaic Law is no longer in effect.
At the same time, though, the moral principles of the entire Law are something the true believer wants to be obedient to, and it isn't confined to the mere letter of the Mosaic Law. Neither does the letter of the Mosaic Law exhaustively define God's holiness. Neither were all of the commandments moral in nature..some were ceremonial or civil.
And, the civil laws had some moral dimension in many cases.
This is why I recommend the paper on Principlism by J. Daniel Hays. It is about as good as this can be explained in a short document.
I just want to explain that.
But, if your claim is that all the Ten Commandments are moral in nature, my remark is no, they are not.
The Sabbath is a ceremonial aspect of the Law.
Others would argue that it is moral in nature, even amongst Sunday observers, and would say the Sabbath was transferred to Sunday.
I do not hold that view because I believe in one unified law, which includes all the commandments of God for ancient Israel.
And, the entire Mosaic Law is no longer in effect.
At the same time, though, the moral principles of the entire Law are something the true believer wants to be obedient to, and it isn't confined to the mere letter of the Mosaic Law. Neither does the letter of the Mosaic Law exhaustively define God's holiness. Neither were all of the commandments moral in nature..some were ceremonial or civil.
And, the civil laws had some moral dimension in many cases.
This is why I recommend the paper on Principlism by J. Daniel Hays. It is about as good as this can be explained in a short document.
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Well I am responding to his own words not the scripture he cited.
Though that makes me think that there will be no new moon festivals because the moon is going to be smote and turned to blood and give her light no more and then be destroyed. And even that is not yet the end as great and terrible of a sign as that is. Though when all that happens you'll know it's really close.
Though that makes me think that there will be no new moon festivals because the moon is going to be smote and turned to blood and give her light no more and then be destroyed. And even that is not yet the end as great and terrible of a sign as that is. Though when all that happens you'll know it's really close.
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yes that bit is a sign in the last days - but then after all the days,And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
(Revelation 21:23)
there's no new moon to observe when there's no moon. you could say it always looks 'new' - like it's not there! so that interpretation of the verse in Isaiah, you'll hear often from people trying to make you their disciple in the observance of physical sabbath according to days. no one has ever said to me, we will keep new moon festivals because of this verse, and you must keep new moon festivals; the moon was created days before the sabbath, and God saw that it was good, blessing it. no one says that. one person, i pressed, and he said yeah i guess so - but he had never thought of it before, and said it's not for now tho. he said we don't keep new moon now, but we will later, because that verse, and we must keep sabbath now, because that verse. so he didn't have consistent interpretation of it.
it's sad, really, because if they are right, and by what is written in Isaiah we're in danger of hell and under condemnation for not observing the sabbath as Moses instructed, then we're equally in danger of hell because of the new moon festival -- in fact we are all in even more danger of damnation because no one knows how to keep the new moon festival; no one is doing it, but we all have some knowledge of sabbath and many people do - even more people than the ones who boast in it. they really ought to be talking about new moon festivals 2, 3, 5 times as much! it's like they don't really care about us
yes that bit is a sign in the last days - but then after all the days,And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
(Revelation 21:23)
there's no new moon to observe when there's no moon. you could say it always looks 'new' - like it's not there! so that interpretation of the verse in Isaiah, you'll hear often from people trying to make you their disciple in the observance of physical sabbath according to days. no one has ever said to me, we will keep new moon festivals because of this verse, and you must keep new moon festivals; the moon was created days before the sabbath, and God saw that it was good, blessing it. no one says that. one person, i pressed, and he said yeah i guess so - but he had never thought of it before, and said it's not for now tho. he said we don't keep new moon now, but we will later, because that verse, and we must keep sabbath now, because that verse. so he didn't have consistent interpretation of it.
it's sad, really, because if they are right, and by what is written in Isaiah we're in danger of hell and under condemnation for not observing the sabbath as Moses instructed, then we're equally in danger of hell because of the new moon festival -- in fact we are all in even more danger of damnation because no one knows how to keep the new moon festival; no one is doing it, but we all have some knowledge of sabbath and many people do - even more people than the ones who boast in it. they really ought to be talking about new moon festivals 2, 3, 5 times as much! it's like they don't really care about us
The most broken of the commandments for the generations that are walking this worn out earth is easily the prohibitions against adultery and fornications. Which is rather curious since most of the End Times heresies and the hallmark of the spirit of Babylon is in fact a glut of adultery and fornications. When you start speaking about Babylon's Cup that they're all drinking out of then stuff gets really interesting.
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Not to mention covetousness.
Its all boiling down to loving one's self before loving God and neighbor - no accident that Christ points out all the law and the prophets hang on two commands that aren't part of the 10. The 10 aren't the basis of the law, regardless of what these people tell you - the 10 given to Israel are based on the law of love, not the other way around
Its all boiling down to loving one's self before loving God and neighbor - no accident that Christ points out all the law and the prophets hang on two commands that aren't part of the 10. The 10 aren't the basis of the law, regardless of what these people tell you - the 10 given to Israel are based on the law of love, not the other way around
Well actually the ten commandments are the basis of the law, they are the root of all the law. The two commandments are the same as the ten, it is the essence of the ten. This is why all the law and the prophets hang on the two.
For examples;
You don't love God if you're allowing the worship of the pagan false "gods" (whom are all demons according to both the Torah and the Letters of Paul).
You don't really love your neighbor if you're having sex with more than one person and thus defiling all the potential spouses for your neighbor and making them worth nothing.
You don't love God if you're making idols and bowing down to them and calling them your "god".
You don't love your neighbor if you're always having to keep up with Jones because of your jealousy.
So forth and so on.
For examples;
You don't love God if you're allowing the worship of the pagan false "gods" (whom are all demons according to both the Torah and the Letters of Paul).
You don't really love your neighbor if you're having sex with more than one person and thus defiling all the potential spouses for your neighbor and making them worth nothing.
You don't love God if you're making idols and bowing down to them and calling them your "god".
You don't love your neighbor if you're always having to keep up with Jones because of your jealousy.
So forth and so on.
Your describing the 10 being manifestations of love, not love being a manifestation of the 10.
So the 10 aren't the basis, they're an expression of what the law is derived from
So the 10 aren't the basis, they're an expression of what the law is derived from
Nothing about not hating people in the 10 fo example, but as Jesus points out, i really am a murderer if i hate someone in my heart, independent of whether i physically kill them. So I could keep the 10 perfectly and still be wicked, but if i love perfectly, i am not guilty of any.
If i love God perfectly, i trust Him completely, and i rest in Him - doing only what pleases Him, not myself. so even if i do some physical labor like picking up sticks on a certain day, i am not guilty before Him of breaking sabbath - i can be in keeping with the righteousness of it while not in the letter
Your describing the 10 being manifestations of love, not love being a manifestation of the 10.
So the 10 aren't the basis, they're an expression of what the law is derived from
So the 10 aren't the basis, they're an expression of what the law is derived from
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2 COR. 6 [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
This NEW COVENANT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing.
ISAIAH 52 [9] Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath REDEEMED Jerusalem. [10] The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the SALVATION of our God. [11] Depart ye, depart ye, GO YE OUT from thence, TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING; GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord. [12] For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward.
Redeemed. Salvation. Words you would find in the new testament concerning Jesus. And as is always the case, you will find whats being said in the new testament has already been said in the old or prophecied.
LEVITICUS 20 [22] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. [23] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. [24] But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH HAVE SEPARATED YOU from other people. [25] YE SHALL THEREFORE PUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLEAN BEASTS AND UNCLEAN, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. [26] And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, THAT YE SHOULD BE MINE.
Be ye separate.
DEUT. 14 [8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, IT IS UNCLEAN unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Everywhere theres lots of piggies living piggy lives.......
ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. [16] For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. [17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
The very bottom line. The above scripture is speaking of the “Day of the Lord”. Whats prophecied about that day will come to pass as written. Like it or not
This NEW COVENANT scripture tells us as believers we are not to touch the unclean thing.
ISAIAH 52 [9] Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath REDEEMED Jerusalem. [10] The Lord hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the SALVATION of our God. [11] Depart ye, depart ye, GO YE OUT from thence, TOUCH NO UNCLEAN THING; GO YE OUT OF THE MIDST OF HER; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord. [12] For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the Lord will go before you; and the God of Israel will be your rereward.
Redeemed. Salvation. Words you would find in the new testament concerning Jesus. And as is always the case, you will find whats being said in the new testament has already been said in the old or prophecied.
LEVITICUS 20 [22] Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. [23] And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. [24] But I have said unto you, Ye shall inherit their land, and I will give it unto you to possess it, a land that floweth with milk and honey: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, WHICH HAVE SEPARATED YOU from other people. [25] YE SHALL THEREFORE PUT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLEAN BEASTS AND UNCLEAN, and between unclean fowls and clean: and ye shall not make your souls abominable by beast, or by fowl, or by any manner of living thing that creepeth on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. [26] And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, THAT YE SHOULD BE MINE.
Be ye separate.
DEUT. 14 [8] And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, IT IS UNCLEAN unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.
Everywhere theres lots of piggies living piggy lives.......
ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. [16] For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. [17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, EATING SWINE'S FLESH, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.
The very bottom line. The above scripture is speaking of the “Day of the Lord”. Whats prophecied about that day will come to pass as written. Like it or not
Notice that the Judaizer doesn't acknowledge that believers are not under the Mosaic Law.
Additionally, I have already explained that the Prophets must be understood in the context of the OT Covenant. That was their worldview. Christians are not under the OT Covenant.
Additionally, the Judaizer uses Scriptures pertaining to the portions of the Law that he thinks still apply, and disregards the adjacent Scriptures which are talking about portions of the Law he DOESN'T think applies.
For instance, in the same context, you will find the Sabbath, festivals, clean meat laws, animal sacrifices, and Levitical priesthood being discussed. He would have to be a complete dolt to claim that animal sacrifices and the Levitical priesthood are in effect. But, he conveniently ignores all that, and uses selective proof-texts, all the while ignoring the context.
Be careful, folks. Read Galatians, Hebrews, Romans if you are swayed into Judaizing. I also recommend Freedom in Christ by Meno Kalisher and Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff, as I've already recommended.
And, like I've said, these guys are all about days and diet. Their understanding of salvation is shallow. I've already mentioned how the SDA church performs elective abortions in its' health care facilities, and how a Down's Syndrome child is fair game for abortion by the teachings of this organization.
I would like to ask Wall one thing, though..suppose someone believes the Saturday Sabbath must be observed. What organization do you recommend? Also, do you believe annual festivals are to be observed?
As an ex-Armstrongite, I can tell you that I would never set foot in one of their congregations. If I had issues with the Sabbath, I might attend a Seventh Day Baptist or a Jews for Jesus congregation. But, I wouldn't fellowship with Hebrew Roots Movement nuts, Armstrongites, Seventh Day Adventists, and most other groups. Why? They have nutty doctrine besides claiming Sunday observers are (or will be) under the Mark of the Beast.
So..Wall..what organization do you recommend for those who believe the Sabbath still applies, and that Sundaygoers are under the Mark of the Beast? Or, do you just sit at home and rest on Saturday, and ignore the command of Paul to assemble?
Additionally, I have already explained that the Prophets must be understood in the context of the OT Covenant. That was their worldview. Christians are not under the OT Covenant.
Additionally, the Judaizer uses Scriptures pertaining to the portions of the Law that he thinks still apply, and disregards the adjacent Scriptures which are talking about portions of the Law he DOESN'T think applies.
For instance, in the same context, you will find the Sabbath, festivals, clean meat laws, animal sacrifices, and Levitical priesthood being discussed. He would have to be a complete dolt to claim that animal sacrifices and the Levitical priesthood are in effect. But, he conveniently ignores all that, and uses selective proof-texts, all the while ignoring the context.
Be careful, folks. Read Galatians, Hebrews, Romans if you are swayed into Judaizing. I also recommend Freedom in Christ by Meno Kalisher and Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff, as I've already recommended.
And, like I've said, these guys are all about days and diet. Their understanding of salvation is shallow. I've already mentioned how the SDA church performs elective abortions in its' health care facilities, and how a Down's Syndrome child is fair game for abortion by the teachings of this organization.
I would like to ask Wall one thing, though..suppose someone believes the Saturday Sabbath must be observed. What organization do you recommend? Also, do you believe annual festivals are to be observed?
As an ex-Armstrongite, I can tell you that I would never set foot in one of their congregations. If I had issues with the Sabbath, I might attend a Seventh Day Baptist or a Jews for Jesus congregation. But, I wouldn't fellowship with Hebrew Roots Movement nuts, Armstrongites, Seventh Day Adventists, and most other groups. Why? They have nutty doctrine besides claiming Sunday observers are (or will be) under the Mark of the Beast.
So..Wall..what organization do you recommend for those who believe the Sabbath still applies, and that Sundaygoers are under the Mark of the Beast? Or, do you just sit at home and rest on Saturday, and ignore the command of Paul to assemble?
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