The Word became Flesh

[Whispered]

Well the answer is quite simple. God did not need to create over a period of six days. But God was putting into effect man's work week, which consists of six 24 hour days and one day of rest from labor. And this is stated in the Fourth Commandment.

There is a physical, emotional, and spiritual need for this pattern. Also man requires to divide 24 hours into three segments for his own mental and physical well-being -- 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work, and 8 hours of recuperation and recreation (including meal times).

"...And this is stated in the Fourth Commandment."

Great post that totally refutes anyone who claims the Sabbath is to no longer be honored.
Thank you for sharing that.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

What's inflating it and holding it up?

Good response, I take your are asking what is inflating the holding up the physical expanse of space in which the planets abode?

However, if not mistaken you believe in the eternal universe that has no beginning or end but is perpetually expanding and condensing repeats the same process over and over for all time.

Would you believe the same thing that causes all space, matter, energy and time in the universe to condense into the size of an atom? But you aren't the only one who believes the eternal can be created, ain't that right Nehemiah6 ?

 

[posthuman]

However, if not mistaken you believe in the eternal universe that has no beginning or end but is perpetually expanding and condensing repeats the same process over and over for all time.

i do not believe that; i believe in a beginning, proceeding from a single point - the spoken word of God "let there be.." and i believe in an end, dissolving with fervent heat.

 

[posthuman]

Good response, I take your are asking what is inflating the holding up the physical expanse of space in which the planets abode?

what i'm hoping to apply here is Colossians 1:17
so yes. and no, i don't believe Hubble's constant is valid. it rests on an awful lot of assumption.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

what i'm hoping to apply here is Colossians 1:17

And I was hoping to apply Colossians 1:15.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

i do not believe that; i believe in a beginning, proceeding from a single point - the spoken word of God "let there be.." and i believe in an end, dissolving with fervent heat.

I stand corrected.

I was going by your comments "created eternal isn't a contradiction" in your post back on 2.9.2020, however you were referring unto the soul.

 

[posthuman]

And I was hoping to apply Colossians 1:15.

Hebrews 1:3, too -- upholding all things by the word of His power

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Hebrews 1:3, too -- upholding all things by the word of His power

1 Tim 1:17

 

[UnoiAmarah]

first: I did not claim that "the LORD fills the heaven and the earth with darkness". I have no idea where you got the idea that I said that.

Deuteronomy 18:18

When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness; Job 29:3

 

[posthuman]

The level of animus you meet in the world to the truth of God in Christ in you, is a sign from God. That animus like unto an address in relation to that gate that opens upon that narrow road. The greater the derision, the anger, the condescension, the higher the house number away from that gate.

it is foolish to take such an approach to interpreting the level of disagreement one encounters among Christians.
likewise foolish to call correction "animus"

The ear that hears the rebukes of life​

will abide among the wise.​

He who disdains instruction despises his own soul,​

but he who heeds rebuke gets understanding.
(Proverbs 15:31-32)​

 

[Dino246]

Deuteronomy 18:18

When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness; Job 29:3

What does Deut 18:18 have to do with this, and where did I reference Job 29:3?

 

[posthuman]

Some proclaim Paul said he could not help himself but kept on living in sin after receiving Christ. This misunderstanding comes from Chapter 7 in Romans. Where Paul is speaking of a life outside of Christ's Spirit. Please give it a read. But remember The context continues in chapter 8 where Paul through the Spirit speaks of being delivered from the Law of Sin and death in which he was in captivity, Condemning sin in the flesh that the righteousness of the law be fulfilled in us. Please look at the text below as he continues after giving his testimony prior to Christ.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the LAW OF SIN which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this DEATH? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus HATH MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin,CONDEMNED SIN in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 7:23-8:4 KJV)

this doesn't say Paul ceased to have any more struggle with sin, that he achieved perfection in his walk, or that he had overcome all temptation.
this says that since he has died with Christ, even though within him his flesh still warred with his mind, he is not under condemnation because as far as the law is concerned - every bit of the law - he has died.
that is salvation. that is freedom from the law of sin and death.
not a perfection of works, a redemption through death, burial and resurrection, through faith.

But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
(Romans 7:17-20)
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Saul is full of sin.
Saul died, and Christ raised Paul in the body of Saul.
Paul is not under condemnation because Saul is dead. Paul is in no way under the Law any more.
because it is Saul who lusts, not Paul, it is no longer Paul who sins but Saul dwelling in him.
that is the salvation.
it is not 'Paul keeping the law'

 

[posthuman]

Before he corrupted it no one knows what it was . Some say he slew animal and covered mankind with their skin. Many opinions on that event. Aging alone points to a end. Even if a person lived twice a thousand years .

i don't think there was any aging before Genesis 3, and i suspect the mortagenic factor ((the thing built-in to our DNA that inevitably causes cell decay)) is inherited through the father, not the mother. and so He was virgin-born, and His flesh saw no corruption

we may be talking about two different kinds of corruption, tho they are linked. flesh doesn't have to be 'sinful' in order to have no value in terms of achieving righteousness. to illustrate what i mean, consider this:

Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations — “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” which all concern things which perish with the using — according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
(Colossians 2:20-23)
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doctrines and commandments concerning the flesh have an appearance of wisdom, but the humility is false, and even when dutifully carried out they are valueless in overcoming the will of the flesh - consider all the people who boast in sabbath-keeping, subjecting their bodies to restraints and regulations, concerning their minds with 'do not, work not, handle not' -- this gives their heart no rest. true rest is in spirit; true rest is a gift from God, to be sought and to be received, and once received to be rejoiced in and given in turn. in fact such people obsessed with their flesh and commandments regarding the flesh have no rest, forever working and worrying over whether their work is enough - work in the flesh? impossible that it can be enough. it profits nothing: it is the Spirit that gives life. not to be ignored, but certainly not to have any confidence in.

so Christ, who came in the flesh, in the likeness of sinful flesh, was in no way corrupted - yet even His own flesh, having no sin, counts for nothing in achieving life in the spirit. however it is not as though He needed to be regenerated in spirit - in Him is the fullness of the Holy Spirit, forever past, forever future. an eternal portrait in flesh and bone of the goal of we who believe, to be like Him, to be one even as He is One. the thing we wait for, which He will complete at His returning for us

 

[posthuman]

That is a question not a statement of fact, note question mark at the end.

((re: Jeremiah 23:24)) it's a rhetorical question. the answer is obvious and implied: yes, yes He does fill heaven and earth. He Himself stretches it out and upholds it all with the word of His power, and in Him it has its being, and He holds it all together. without Him it is nothing.

“Am I a God near at hand,” says the LORD,​

“and not a God afar off?​

Can anyone hide himself in secret places,​

so I shall not see him?” says the LORD;​

“Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the LORD. ​

(Jeremiah 23:23-24)​

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yes, He fills heaven and earth. the heavens of the heavens cannot contain Him.
no, He is not a God far off - no, no one can hide themselves where He cannot see or His presence does not reach.
yes, He is near at hand. with you, in your mouth and in your heart. Living Word

God indeed inhabited a localized & well-defined space for a definite period of time. about 33-34 years, in the form of a man whose name is Jesus. that is what i was thinking when i replied to your comment that He never in any way at any time inhabited or inhabits any part of space for any length of time: 33 years. Jesus of Nazareth, Emmanuel, God with us

 

[Runningman]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The day you gave your life to Christ and became a Born Again Christian, Spirit of God and Christ resides within you.
When you stand and apply God’s Word in your life………The Word becomes flesh
When you claim your inheritance as a believer for healing, provision, protection deliverance and Spiritual growth and God honors your request…………..The Word became flesh

Jesus is literally God.

 

[posthuman]

Well the answer is quite simple. God did not need to create over a period of six days. But God was putting into effect man's work week, which consists of six 24 hour days and one day of rest from labor. And this is stated in the Fourth Commandment.

There is a physical, emotional, and spiritual need for this pattern. Also man requires to divide 24 hours into three segments for his own mental and physical well-being -- 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work, and 8 hours of recuperation and recreation (including meal times).

it's not so simple, i think.
yes, He did this on purpose. just as He has as born as infants and grow to adulthood. He injected time into creation ((or creation into time?)) while He could have made everything in an instant. it is not unlike the giving of the law through Moses -- a law which can make no one righteous and cannot save. a law by which no one can inherit life; a law which condemns all who are under it: in order that mercy and truth might come through Jesus Christ. He could have redeemed Israel on the day He brought them out of Egypt - Christ could have that very day purchased them with blood. but He didn't, and that is also for a purpose. time. mercy.

i don't think it's so simplistic as 'in order to establish mankind's ordained work week'
we gonna be tilling fields and manning cash registers in glory??

i think this is far more profound than that. it's about process, time, sequence, growth, mercy and increase.

 

[posthuman]

Then can you answer the question regarding what is the physical substance that fills the heaven and the earth.

why presume it is physical?

according to our best understandings of physics and our best abilities to observe and interpret what we see, upwards of 95% of the energy and mass that *should* be present in order for the cosmos to fit together and to function as it apparently does is completely and totally unknown and unknowable by any known physical means.

so with all known physical matter and energy combined, only 5% of the wonders of the universe can be explained.
why presume the missing force is physical?

 

[posthuman]

so with all known physical matter and energy combined, only 5% of the wonders of the universe can be explained.
why presume the missing force is physical?

observation reaches the conclusion that there is simply not enough power in the physical universe to hold the physical universe together, to stretch out the physical universe, or to fill it.

God says He fills heaven and earth, He stretches out, upholds and holds together all of the universe by His own power, and that all things in the cosmos are His work & derive their existence from Him.

knowing that the overwhelming majority of all the power it takes for the universe to exist is not physically observable, why in the world would i, as a Christian, as someone who believes God at His word and believes in God, why in the world would i assume that all that 'invisible power' is physical masses and forces ??

 

[oldethennew]

who doesn't love a Sherlock Mystery??? lol

when one comes in humility into the invisible building-blocks of Yeshua's Creation in their hearts and minds,
then we have to let our Master explain to us, and keep in mind that these things are humanly un-explainable
without His revelation...

the importance of Spiritual Growth in this situation depends 'entirely upon God's Will', -
as Post has so wisely understood and explained...

 

[lightbearer]

this doesn't say Paul ceased to have any more struggle with sin, that he achieved perfection in his walk, or that he had overcome all temptation.

You talk to much too.