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presidente

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The millennium is a Pharisee doctrine Christ refuted throughout the gospels. The Dispensationalists added to it without any scripture support.
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It comes from the book of Revelation. I should you a passage where the apostles expressed a belief in the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and Jesus implied that was the right belief.

Do you think Jesus or His apostles were Pharisees? If they were members of the club, like Paul was, wouldn't we have heard of it?
 
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yup 1000 years is a 1000 years
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Notice, the literal numbers ave examples you can count. 7 churches named as 7 churches. The judgements identified and countable with the same number verifying them. Bur 666 and 1000 have no such verification. So you must seek them out in the rest of scripture to prove they are symbols and not literal.
 
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presidente said:
It comes from the book of Revelation. I should you a passage where the apostles expressed a belief in the restoration of the kingdom to Israel and Jesus implied that was the right belief.

Do you think Jesus or His apostles were Pharisees? If they were members of the club, like Paul was, wouldn't we have heard of it?
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If you read Phairseeism into Revelation, you add to God's word.
 
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presidente

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If you read Phairseeism into Revelation, you add to God's word.
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Do you think the apostles and Christ had it wrong in Acts 1? Do you know better than they? Do you think you know better than the Father?
 
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presidente said:
Do you think the apostles and Christ had it wrong in Acts 1? Do you know better than they? Do you think you know better than the Father?
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Jesus had it right, the apostles were still in the dark like many today. But Paul's and Peter's outline of the end omitted a millennium showing they had the revelation by then.
 
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2Timothy 2:23 But reject foolish and ignorant speculation, for you know that it breeds quarreling.
 
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Notice, the literal numbers ave examples you can count. 7 churches named as 7 churches. The judgements identified and countable with the same number verifying them. Bur 666 and 1000 have no such verification. So you must seek them out in the rest of scripture to prove they are symbols and not literal.
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well I think it could be a literal time or yes it may be a symbolic time 1000 is used as a literal measurement and a symbolic measurement in the Bible from what I’ve been reading about the number 1000, more times then not it is used as symbolic rather than a literal time but one example of literal measurement is in Job who says one in a thousand that is pretty literal statement I think.

Job 33:23 "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to show unto man his uprightness:"
 
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well I think it could be a literal time or yes it may be a symbolic time 1000 is used as a literal measurement and a symbolic measurement in the Bible from what I’ve been reading about the number 1000, more times then not it is used as symbolic rather than a literal time but one example of literal measurement is in Job who says one in a thousand that is pretty literal statement I think.

Job 33:23 "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to show unto man his uprightness:"
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If Christ bound Satan with the gospel as he preached. And Satan has been loosed in the 1800s as I believe, it would result in that time frame. “For every beast of the forest is mine, And the cattle upon a thousand hills.” Psalm 50:10 (KJV 1900) suggests 1000 = all. God owns all cattle.
 
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If Christ bound Satan with the gospel as he preached. And Satan has been loosed in the 1800s as I believe, it would result in that time frame. “For every beast of the forest is mine, And the cattle upon a thousand hills.” Psalm 50:10 (KJV 1900) suggests 1000 = all. God owns all cattle.
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Do you believe Job mentions 1000 as a literal measurement? you had said scripture doesn’t imply a literal meaning to the number 1000, so in Job what is your understanding on a symbolic meaning to (one among a thousand).
 
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Do you believe Job mentions 1000 as a literal measurement? you had said scripture doesn’t imply a literal meaning to the number 1000, so in Job what is your understanding on a symbolic meaning to (one among a thousand).
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You missed the point. Go back to square 1, (figuratively speaking).
 
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You missed the point. Go back to square 1, (figuratively speaking).
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ok it appears you don’t have a answer for what Job said about a thousand.
 
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I think you enjoy arguing more than learning. Sayonara
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well it’s either among the 999 up side down or among the one right side up and mean that symbolically not literally
 
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Dave-L said:
I think you enjoy arguing more than learning. Sayonara
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and something else not all learning comes from you, you could stand to learn yourself my friend.
 
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Dave-L said:
Jesus had it right, the apostles were still in the dark like many today. But Paul's and Peter's outline of the end omitted a millennium showing they had the revelation by then.
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Jesus indicated there was a time appointed by the Father for the restoration of the kingdom to Israel but you do not believe that. Paul does not go into the same details John does about the sequence of events. Omission in one passage does not erase doctrine taught in another.
 
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Arguing and quarreling is a far cry from debating, I found that some what offensive

arguing is a form of anger, and I’m not angry at all
 
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JamOn said:
Arguing and quarreling is a far cry from debating, I found that some what offensive

arguing is a form of anger, and I’m not angry at all
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Debate is not arguing? Here's a challenge. Prove from Scripture any of my OP is wrong. That will mean something if you can.
 
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