Interesting question: According to scripture alone, what is "the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10)?

Absolutely · Mar 18, 2020

]8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

from heb 4

Entering into Jesus rest by faith.

Salvation is not a prayer or obeying ordinances.
Salvation is a person,,,,JESUS.
JESUS is salvation,high priest,kinsman redeemer,and my(OUR,BELIEVERS,CHRISTIAN,BORN AGAIN BELIEVER) rest. My,(OUR,BELIEVERS,CHRISTIAN,BORN AGAIN BELIEVER) rest is not a day. It is a person

...JUST TO BE CLEAR.

Absolutely · Mar 18, 2020

Are you aware of this being a bad thing?

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

I have, and I have large study I will be posting soon, here on it. Hebrews 4, in both referring to the seventh "day" and the to "day" states clearly that such are days, not a person.

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

No. God is KING of Kings. He has an etenral Kingdom. All Kingdoms have laws, especially God's.

That is freedom/liberty.

Bondage is sin (Acts 8:23; John 8:33-34; Exodus 20:2; Deuteronomy 5:6, 6:12, 8:14, 13:5,10; Joshua 24:17; Judges 6:8; Romans 8:21; 2 Peter 2:19; Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:18).

Without law, it is anarchy. Lawlessness.

Paul spake of His judge:

2Ti_4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

lightbearer · Mar 18, 2020

garee said:

No Shadow picture. Two Rest being spoken of. The Gospel Rest in Christ and the Seventh Day Sabbath of God.

Two rests being spoken of in the text.

Please take notice to the phrase, "he also". in verse ten. That means in addition to entering into the the Rest We also cease from work like God did.
The Sabbath (ceasing from work as God did) and the Rest which we partake of which is the Gospel. Please also take note to the clause, "as God did from his". That is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we also do is to be on the Seventh Day as God did.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"As God did from his". is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we also do is to be on the Seventh Day as God did. Very time sensitive.

This is brought out in the context of the passage earlier in verses 4 and 5. Here take a look please.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place (He SPEAKS) again, If they shall enter into my rest.
(Heb 4:4-5)

As we can see in verse 4 and 5. Two things being mentioned. One is the Rest which is the Gospel in Christ. And the other is the Seventh Day. If we enter into the Gospel Rest in Christ God speaks again of the Seventh Day. is what verses 4 and 5 are saying.

How does HE speak
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath keeping) to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest (the Gospel rest) , he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Like was said that is a direct comparison. That ceasing from work which we do is just like the ceasing from work that God did. HE STOPPED WORKING And that my friend in on the Seventh Day as God did.

garee · Mar 18, 2020

lightbearer said:

Its the same rest we enter, comparing his rest, to His rest .

Please take notice to the phrase, "he also". in verse ten. It means that the Son of man like us entered the rest of the father. And that was on the last day, it signifies the day of the lord when he comes as a thief in the night. .

The word sabbath is not a time sensitive word . It simply means rest. Its his shadow the city of refuge the bride of Christ the mother of us all. . .we rest in by faith. . the unseen eternal .

Adding time phrases like the word "week" clearly destroys the intent.

The Young's gets the interpretation properly in one of the places we find the word rest Sabbath. Not week (7 days) Again when written the Greek did not use a word week to represent 7 days.

last day is a better translation. The Holy Spirit moved that shadow to the new era of rests sabbaths (not new era of weeks) to the first day. The day he said let there be children of light.

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, (not week) came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

The King James destroys the meaning of rest(sabbath) by using the word week (7 days) its not one day compared to together .But a word set out to mean rest.

Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV) In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week (sabbaths), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Why remove the word Sabbath and replace it with a time sensitive word (week)seeing the rest is today. . . non time sensitive to begin with .

It would seem there are many shadow worshipers that perform the work of self edification. .

Dino246 · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Something looked odd with your quotation. I checked; my version says, "If Joshua had given them rest, then...". The KJV and a few other older translations say, "Jesus", while most modern versions say, "Joshua".

In context, "Joshua" makes far more sense, as the reference is to Joshua bringing Israel into the promised land in the OT. Yes, the names are very similar, and Joshua is a type of Jesus, but with "Jesus" in the verse, it's confusing.

Sipsey · Mar 18, 2020

John's revelation occurred on the Lord's Day while he was in the Spirit. Some have indicated that “the Lord's Day” refers to the first day of the week. However, the word “Lord's” is an adjective and this expression is never used in the Bible to refer to the first day of the week. Probably John was referring to the day of the Lord, a familiar expression in both Testaments (cf. Isa 2:12; 13:6,9; 34:8; Joe 1:15; 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Am 5:18,20; Zep 1:7-8,14,18; 2:3; Zec 14:1; Mal 4:5; 1Th 5:2; 2Pe 3:10). “In the Spirit” could also be rendered “in [my] spirit” (cf. Rev 4:2; 17:3; 21:10). That is, he was projected forward in his inner self in a vision, not bodily, to that future day of the Lord when God will pour out His judgments on the earth.

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Sipsey said:

Thank you for that tacit admission.

Sipsey · Mar 18, 2020

WithinReason said:

You are indeed welcome. I tend towards succinctness, unless discussing grandchildren, fishing or hunting.

Absolutely · Mar 18, 2020

Dino246 said:

Lol
Joshua is pronounced yeshua
It is the same name

Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

Makes an even stronger case for Jesus is our (believers,born again christians) rest.

For certainly a case could NOT POSSIBLY be made for believers to be under a sabbath day OUTSIDE of the new and better covenant.

IOW hebrews was written to hebrews in type after type of the old priesthood and covenant to illustrate the new .

It is consistent to think ANY OT OR OLD COVENANT reference is being introduced in types as is consistent with hebrews in all the book.

Dino246 · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Yes, I realize it's the same name, but we non-Hebrew speakers know them as different names, and it's more clear to use different names to distinguish the different individuals. The older translations don't use "Jesus" for the person who led Israel after Moses.

Absolutely · Mar 18, 2020

Dino246 said:

I think it is g2424.
But Joshua and jesus is the same name.
"Joshua" looking/pointing to Jesus.
"Jehova is salvation."

It proves my point that even his name says salvation is a person.
(I did not draw that literal dynamic before you got me digging)
Amazing the depth of our inheritance/covenant and the depth of who he is.
(I realize you know that..just rambling on)

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 4 challenge:

“... ANOTHER of Mr. _______ statements that he sets forth as one of his "unanswerable propositions" is that "every one of the ten commandments is expressly reaffirmed in the New Testament except the Sabbath law, and there is not a syllable in our whole New Testament suggesting that the Sabbath is binding on the Christian." And "the one commandment upon which the Seventh-day people lay all their emphasis is neither by explicit statement nor hint said to be binding upon Christians in any verse in the New Testament." {May 30, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 344.1}

From this statement made and repeated it is evident that there are, in the New Testament, at least nearly two whole chapters which Mr. _______ has read to very little purpose. Indeed, it would seem that he had not read them at all; but the fact that he has been for years one of the leading Bible teachers of the whole country, renders it hardly possible that he has not read the New Testament through. Yet for such a prominent Bible teacher to make and repeat such a statement as that, betrays a lack of knowledge of the New Testament, that surely presents not a very promising prospect to a Bible school for Christian workers. {May 30, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 344.2}

The two chapters to which we refer are the third and fourth of Hebrews. It is the literal truth that the greater part of these two chapters is a treatise upon the true Sabbath of the seventh day, its true meaning, and its true observance; and it is all addressed TO CHRISTIANS. That Mr. _______ has not yet found this portion of the New Testament is nothing against the fact of its being there. It is there, and it is a great spiritual truth; for the Sabbath is spiritual, and spiritual things are only spiritually discerned. {May 30, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 344.3}

Sabbath is rest. The Sabbath of the Lord is the rest of the Lord. And the Sabbath day of the Lord is the rest day of the Lord. The word of the Lord is, "The seventh day is the Sabbath [the rest] of the Lord thy God." It is not man's rest, it is God's rest. And so it is written. "In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, . . . and rested the seventh day." Ex. 20:11. "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made." Gen. 2:2. And "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise. And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest." Heb. 4:4, 5. Thus in Hebrews 4 the subject is the same precisely as in Gen. 2:2, 3, and in Ex. 20:8-11, the fourth commandment; that subject is the Sabbath of the Lord, God's rest of the seventh day, and being addressed directly to Christians, and in the New Testament, too, is definite instruction to Christians as to the true Christian observance of the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day. And this subject in the fourth chapter of Hebrews is simply the continuation of the same subject from the third chapter of Hebrews; and that subject is God's rest of the seventh day. This shows that the Sabbath of the seventh day, the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and its observance, is distinctly treated in the greater part of at least two chapters in the New Testament, and is there addressed directly to Christians. Brother _______ has not yet learned this. We are telling it to him just now. {May 30, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 344.4}

Now, remembering what Friend _______ asked of each reader,—that he "go to God in prayer and covenant with him that he will stand upon what the word of God teaches whether it agrees with his previous notions or not,"—come, let us study the third and fourth chapters of Hebrews, and see what is there taught in the word of God. {May 30, 1899 ATJ, ARSH 344.5} ...” - The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, vol. 76 May 30, 1899, page 344 par. 1- par. 5 [name withheld, to now apply to general audiences]

TheDivineWatermark · Mar 18, 2020

Sipsey said:

Yes, this was my point (at least, the point I had hoped I conveyed, lol).

[note: "the DOTL" not being merely "a singular 24-hr day," but a "time period" of much duration, all told, but which STARTS at the beginning of the future 7-yr trib, unfolding upon the earth (from that point in time) over the course of some time]

Glad to know someone else sees it this way.

I believe that may also be what is meant by (the wording in the previous verse,) "and companion [/fellow-partaker] in the tribulation," verse 9. [not just "tribulation" that takes place all throughout "this present age [singular]"/NOW/ever since the first century... but "in THE tribulation," per this verse]

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3:1 KJB - Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 3:1 KJB is tied to True High Priest in the True Heavenly Tabernacle/Temple/Sanctuary in Heaven itself:

Hebrews 8:1 KJB - Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 8:2 KJB - A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Hebrews 8:5 KJB - Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Hebrews 9:23 KJB - It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hebrews 9:24 KJB - For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

This again demonstrates that there is indeed a work that Christ Jesus is doing in the true Temple in Heaven. There is an eternal Law in the Heavens that has been transgressed, in which we need such an High Priest to minister upon the repentant sinners behalf, to be an Advocate for. The blood of Calvary is linked to this most sacred of services of love.

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3:2 KJB - Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.

Jesus was appointed by the Father to be High Priest:

Hebrews 1:5 KJB - For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 KJB - So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

For as the Father's Law was broken, only One equal with God, could be mediator between God [Law giver] and man [Law transgressor], who would uphold the Justice and Mercy of His Father in His [Jesus'] own sacrifice:

1 Timothy 2:5 KJB - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3:3 KJB - For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.

Jesus is the true builder of the Temple of God, while Moses was merely the type:

Ephesians 2:21 KJB - In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

Exodus 25:8 KJB - And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.

Exodus 25:9 KJB - According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Exodus 25:40 KJB - And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount.

See also Numbers 8:4; Joshua 22:28; 1 Chronicles 28:10-12,19; Psalms 77:13; Ezekiel 43:10-12; Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 8:1-6, 9:23; 13:10; Daniel 8:11-14,26, 9:24, 11:31; Revelation 1:12,13, 3:7,8 4:1,5, 9:13, 11:1,19, 15:5 KJB.

Jesus Himself is also the Temple, and His body part of Him:

Revelation 21:22 KJB - And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

John 2:19 KJB - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

John 2:20 KJB - Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

John 2:21 KJB - But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus raised from the dead over 2000 years ago, and when the millennium [1,000 years of Revelation 20:1-7; Daniel 7:22; Isaiah 24:22 KJB] comes, for the 7,000th year, which “evening” portion begins on earth [as there is no night in heaven; Revelation 22:5 KJB, etc], the Church of Christ will be made perfect [Ephesians 4:13 KJB], and the Temple of the Lamb, will be “finished” [John 10:7 KJB], for it will have been within the 3 “days” “with the LORD” [2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4 KJB]. The natural to the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:44-46 KJB].

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3:4 KJB - For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

For the Father made all things by/through the Son, Christ Jesus:

Hebrews 1:1 KJB - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 KJB - Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Hebrews 1:3 KJB - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

See also Genesis 1:1-2:3; Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:1-3; 1 John 1:1-3; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:15-19 KJB, etc.

WithinReason · Mar 18, 2020

Absolutely said:

Hebrews 3-4:

Hebrews 3:5 KJB - And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;

[01] Righteous Man, a man that executheth My [God's] Counsel, a servant

[02] [He is] my shepherd

[03] From the East, Deliverer

[04] God was to subdue the Nations before Him/them

[05] God, "I" will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight

[06] That saith to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid

[07] That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers

[08] Anointed

[09] "Glory of a blazing furnace, or to shine like the sun"

[10] Great treasures/wealth would be given unto him

and God reigned as King through ...

Moses was merely the type [as Cyrus was], while Christ Jesus is the reality. More details on this in the Daniel 11:1-20 KJB, study, for history has repeated at least three times [Ecclesiastes 1:9; 3:15 KJB]

[01 – Egypt to Babylon,

02 – Babylon to [Rome] Jesus,

03 – Jesus unto the end] ...

Interesting question: According to scripture alone, what is "the Lord's day" (Revelation 1:10)?

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