Has the second coming occurred already?

[Jimbone]

The temple is not built by the antichrist, He abomination the temple. Not builds it. Who thinks it is built by the antichrist?

Nobody, he was speaking to me and I'm not sure where that came from. I do not believe it nor have I even ever heard this before.

And after I read this I just wanted to say I was not trying to be like "he was talking to me" in a rude way, I just said it because I know what he was responding to.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nobody, he was speaking to me and I'm not sure where that came from. I do not believe it nor have I even ever heard this before.

And after I read this I just wanted to say I was not trying to be like "he was talking to me" in a rude way, I just said it because I know what he was responding to.

Nah your good. Thanks for showing me context.. Apprecated

 

[cv5]

That's absolutely right, and is a HUGE part of my point. The only way it can be "Gods holy temple" is if God directly orders it built. Has He given such an order that you know of? If you know please share.

You:
So your question is

"If the temple build by antichrist why It call Holy?"

Me: No that is not my question at all, my question is if the AoD happens in Gods holy temple as it says in Daniel and Revelation, and if Gods temple is gone, and He hasn't ordered another one built by now, now at the point when we are told NOTHING should be added to His word, how on earth can there even be a 3rd temple if He hasn't commanded it built. You are right and if a bunch of Jews decide to build a temple and call it "gods", it makes it no more holy than the Hindu temple. See my point yet?

It may be possible to argue that God did not "order" it to be built, but the third temple certainly is prophesied to be built. And it inevitability will be rebuilt. And jut a though.....perhaps it will be simply REBUILT? They have just about determined its precise location BTW....located in Israeli territory in the City of David....NOT at the Al Aqsa compound which is actually the old Antonia fortress grounds.
....

 

[Jackson123]

That's absolutely right, and is a HUGE part of my point. The only way it can be "Gods holy temple" is if God directly orders it built. Has He given such an order that you know of? If you know please share.

You:
So your question is

"If the temple build by antichrist why It call Holy?"

Me: No that is not my question at all, my question is if the AoD happens in Gods holy temple as it says in Daniel and Revelation, and if Gods temple is gone, and He hasn't ordered another one built by now, now at the point when we are told NOTHING should be added to His word, how on earth can there even be a 3rd temple if He hasn't commanded it built. You are right and if a bunch of Jews decide to build a temple and call it "gods", it makes it no more holy than the Hindu temple. See my point yet?

Let see from different angle.

A. If God order to build a temple, is make temple Holy?

There is a time when only appoint priest can go to Holys Holy If ordinary person go in he Will die.
But one day God let Titus and his army go in and not die.

I believe God not always make that temple Holy, depend oN the people.

Temple is shadow of Christian. We are the temple of God when we are living in His Will.

When we run away from His Will we not the temple anymore.

B. If I make a temple and I call It God temple and I declare my self a God reign from that temple

People may call It abomination isn't It?

That I believe Will happen before second coming. Jews build a temple they call It Gid temple then antichrist come and reign from that temple.

 

[Jimbone]

It may be possible to argue that God did not "order" it to be built, but the third temple certainly is prophesied to be built. And it inevitability will be rebuilt. And jut a though.....perhaps it will be simply REBUILT? They have just about determined its precise location BTW....located in Israeli territory in the City of David....NOT at the Al Aqsa compound which is actually the old Antonia fortress grounds.
....

See but that's the thing, both examples we have of His temples being built before this one definitely were ordered by God to be built, not to mention the fact the only way it can be "His temple" is if He commands it exist. I also hear you about "It may be possible to argue that God did not "order" it to be built, but the third temple certainly is prophesied to be built. And it inevitability will be rebuilt."

Please give me the scriptures where a 3rd temple is mentioned specifically and not just added, and where one doesn't have to be bring it into the text. I respectfully disagree, I do not see a 3rd temple prophesied at all, you have to assume one if you believe these things still have to happen, but if you look at the text without this presupposition coming into the text, the temple you think you see disappears. I am 100% serious about showing me though, if I'm wrong I want to know, but I don't read anything about a 3rd temple. Thank you too for discussing this with me. I appreciate it.

 

[Jimbone]

Let see from different angle.

A. If God order to build a temple, is make temple Holy?

There is a time when only appoint priest can go to Holys Holy If ordinary person go in he Will die.
But one day God let Titus and his army go in and not die.

I believe God not always make that temple Holy, depend oN the people.

Temple is shadow of Christian. We are the temple of God when we are living in His Will.

When we run away from His Will we not the temple anymore.

B. If I make a temple and I call It God temple and I declare my self a God reign from that temple

People may call It abomination isn't It?

That I believe Will happen before second coming. Jews build a temple they call It Gid temple then antichrist come and reign from that temple.

Okay well now with all this "we are the temple" subjective opinion out here we have completely abandon the text and are just trying to "feel" our way to truth right? Not good enough. You're right and I agree that what makes God's temple "God's temple" is that He dwells in it, and you're right He now dwells in us which is another reason a 3rd temple is completely illogical, it makes 0 sense on any level. Gods temple served it's purpose, it's no longer needed, the AoD took place, Jesus is King now and His Kingdom will grow without end until every enemy is made a footstool for His feet.
Everything you're advocating here is backwards, and you can't have it both ways, and yes if the antichrist builds a temple and calls it Gods that is abominable, but it starts desolated and that is not what is described in Daniel, the antiChrist enters the holy place and interrupts the sacrifices, haven't been may of those since God ended that age huh? You are getting further from His word to exsplain these things. Do you not see that?

Oh and here's a question back at you.
So building the temple on the exact same spot is what makes it holy?

 

[Jackson123]

The temple is not built by the antichrist, He abomination the temple. Not builds it. Who thinks it is built by the antichrist?

Yep we don't know who build, may jews, but antichrist Will abomination it

 

[Jackson123]

Okay well now with all this "we are the temple" subjective opinion out here we have completely abandon the text and are just trying to "feel" our way to truth right? Not good enough. You're right and I agree that what makes God's temple "God's temple" is that He dwells in it, and you're right He now dwells in us which is another reason a 3rd temple is completely illogical, it makes 0 sense on any level. Gods temple served it's purpose, it's no longer needed, the AoD took place, Jesus is King now and His Kingdom will grow without end until every enemy is made a footstool for His feet.
Everything you're advocating here is backwards, and you can't have it both ways, and yes if the antichrist builds a temple and calls it Gods that is abominable, but it starts desolated and that is not what is described in Daniel, the antiChrist enters the holy place and interrupts the sacrifices, haven't been may of those since God ended that age huh? You are getting further from His word to exsplain these things. Do you not see that?

Oh and here's a question back at you.
So building the temple on the exact same spot is what makes it holy?

I believe jews Will build the temple, they call It God temple, but that name not make the temple Holy.

The reason I believe jews Will build It is I read about how them make preparation oN It.

Building the temple in the same spot where the temple was, not make It Holy.

I believe when bible say antichrist Will reign oN the Holy place, is just to explain in the way people can understand. Because people think temple is Holy place.

 

[Jimbone]

I believe jews Will build the temple, they call It God temple, but that name not make the temple Holy.

The reason I believe jews Will build It is I read about how them make preparation oN It.

Building the temple in the same spot where the temple was, not make It Holy.

I believe when bible say antichrist Will reign oN the Holy place, is just to explain in the way people can understand. Because people think temple is Holy place.

Yea but it also says he interrupts the sacrifices, and there is nothing in the text to suggest this takes place in a counterfeit temple, you have to add that to fit a view. I honestly think your bending too much to make it fit. This was a HUGE part of how He showed me these things, by how well this happening in 70 AD fits EVERYTHING in His word together so much better. It's amazing really. I don't think that will convince anyone, but I just wanted to share it. Also I don't know if I've said it to you yet, but thank you for the conversation as well, I've wasted to discuss these things for a while and I appreciate how you discuss.

 

[Tart]

Some sects of Christianity believe that Christ’s second coming had already occurred. This is in conjunction with the Olivet Discourse and specifically with chapter 24 from Matthew’s Gospel(Christ returned around 70 AD prior to the destruction of Jerusalem). Is there validation to any of this? Is there any historical evidence to support such? Has the revelation of Christs second coming being a future event based on tradition and misinterpretation? Is Preterism correct?

Thoughts?

No it hasnt happened yet... How do i know? Becuase we are still here living normal lives... Unless, Christ came, and boom that its, and now we are here living essentially meaningless lives? I have heard many groups say the second coming already happened... and Jesus said "dont believe them"....

Like this would be basically saying hope is gone... or soemthing? everything we are living for, to build up the kingdom for the Resurrection from the dead... If Christ already came? it wasnt really anything significant... So it probably hasnt happened... Though what do i know?

maybe im the second coming? and i never knew it? here i am guys....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yea but it also says he interrupts the sacrifices, and there is nothing in the text to suggest this takes place in a counterfeit temple, you have to add that to fit a view. I honestly think your bending too much to make it fit. This was a HUGE part of how He showed me these things, by how well this happening in 70 AD fits EVERYTHING in His word together so much better. It's amazing really. I don't think that will convince anyone, but I just wanted to share it. Also I don't know if I've said it to you yet, but thank you for the conversation as well, I've wasted to discuss these things for a while and I appreciate how you discuss.

Yes, He interrupts sacrifice and burnt offering

Remember the sacrifice and burnt offering done by the high priest the day Jesus did (the high priest who orchestrated Jesus death) was in a pretu much pagan temple. It had stopped being used for Gods purpose along time ago. In fact. The high priest could enter the most holy place and not die. Why? God was no longer present

70 Ad is missing so much of what the word says, it does not even come close bro.

 

[Tart]

Like seriously... I ponder all things, and one question in philosophy is that of a "mind in a vat"... It is essentially saying that our entire experience could be just a simulation that someone created (like God)... What if the entire world, and all my experiences is all that exists? And everyone around me, and the world around me, is just an illusion? I cant rule it out...

So if that is true? which maybe maybe not... i need some insight here guys... you exist... right?

But if that is true, and say Jesus was always the light of my path. Jesus is God to me... this is the nature of who God is... The more i study it, the more I think Jesus was my personal God, and no one really gets it...

Am i the second coming? Like seriously?

this is a really question i have, that i dont even like thinking about... I mean what if it was true? What should i go around saying "im God".. "im Jesus"....

could i even do that?

it would just be crazy..

 

[Jackson123]

Yea but it also says he interrupts the sacrifices, and there is nothing in the text to suggest this takes place in a counterfeit temple, you have to add that to fit a view. I honestly think your bending too much to make it fit. This was a HUGE part of how He showed me these things, by how well this happening in 70 AD fits EVERYTHING in His word together so much better. It's amazing really. I don't think that will convince anyone, but I just wanted to share it. Also I don't know if I've said it to you yet, but thank you for the conversation as well, I've wasted to discuss these things for a while and I appreciate how you discuss.

So you don't believe jews Will build the temple or you don't believe jews Will make animal sacrifice in the temple?

I am sure when jews build the temple they Will make animal sacrifice, because they do not believe that mesiah already come.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, He interrupts sacrifice and burnt offering

Remember the sacrifice and burnt offering done by the high priest the day Jesus did (the high priest who orchestrated Jesus death) was in a pretu much pagan temple. It had stopped being used for Gods purpose along time ago. In fact. Tphe high priest could enter the most holy place and not die. Why? God was no longer present

70 Ad is missing so much of what the word says, it does not even come close bro.

That is what happen to third temple, the antichrist Will reign from most Holy and not die because God not there

 

[cv5]

So you don't believe jews Will build the temple or you don't believe jews Will make animal sacrifice in the temple?

I am sure when jews build the temple they Will make animal sacrifice, because they do not believe that mesiah already come.

That gentleman seems terribly confused I'm afraid.

 

[Jackson123]

Like seriously... I ponder all things, and one question in philosophy is that of a "mind in a vat"... It is essentially saying that our entire experience could be just a simulation that someone created (like God)... What if the entire world, and all my experiences is all that exists? And everyone around me, and the world around me, is just an illusion? I cant rule it out...

So if that is true? which maybe maybe not... i need some insight here guys... you exist... right?

But if that is true, and say Jesus was always the light of my path. Jesus is God to me... this is the nature of who God is... The more i study it, the more I think Jesus was my personal God, and no one really gets it...

Am i the second coming? Like seriously?

this is a really question i have, that i dont even like thinking about... I mean what if it was true? What should i go around saying "im God".. "im Jesus"....

could i even do that?

it would just be crazy..

No you not God, god create the universe are you? You not able to create an ant.

 

[Jimbone]

Yes, He interrupts sacrifice and burnt offering

Remember the sacrifice and burnt offering done by the high priest the day Jesus did (the high priest who orchestrated Jesus death) was in a pretu much pagan temple. It had stopped being used for Gods purpose along time ago. In fact. The high priest could enter the most holy place and not die. Why? God was no longer present

70 Ad is missing so much of what the word says, it does not even come close bro.

In your opinion, in mine the futurist view is the one lacking. So??? Have a great day.

 

[Jimbone]

So you don't believe jews Will build the temple or you don't believe jews Will make animal sacrifice in the temple?

I am sure when jews build the temple they Will make animal sacrifice, because they do not believe that mesiah already come.

No I believe they can do both, but do not believe it will be done in Gods temple. That's the problem. I don't know how we are missing each other here. I don't believe that doing these things just because they want to in a counterfeit temple is what scripture says will happen.

 

[Jackson123]

No I believe they can do both, but do not believe it will be done in Gods temple. That's the problem. I don't know how we are missing each other here. I don't believe that doing these things just because they want to in a counterfeit temple is what scripture says will happen.

Jews believe they need temple, because they don't believe Jesus already come, so they build It not because they want to make counterfeit temple, they realy believe It is the Will of God. Than they make animal sacrifice because they believe they are under Moses law.

You and me don't believe It is temple of God because we believe Jesus already come and No more Animal sacrifice needed

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In your opinion, in mine the futurist view is the one lacking. So??? Have a great day.

Its not opinion, Its what they believed in daniel ‘s day and in Jesus day, And if you do not want to believe it thats fine, It does not make it untrue if you do not believe it.

And what I said about The jewish High priest is fact. Not fiction