Catholicism vs Protestantism

[EleventhHour]

What the Catholic Church teaches is not "someone's opinion". It is the truth handed down by the apostles.

The church places tradition on equal footing with scripture. This is a man made policy.

Catholics, on the other hand, recognize that the true “rule of faith”—as expressed in the Bible itself—is Scripture plus apostolic tradition, as manifested in the living teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Jesus and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly.

Consequently it is not from sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same devotion and reverence.”

Source

Only the scripture is divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit.
No where does scripture state that any man will have infallible interpretation.
No where does scripture allow for tradition and the thoughts of men to be equal to what is divinely inspired.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You are wrong.

What are the inspired holy texts of God? Do we read the same Bible? What makes up your canon and why? Just trying to see where you are coming from.

I only read 66 books and nothing else. Anything else is what we call commentary which may be accurate but technically they are opinions of the verses in the 66 books. Everything is centered on the 66 books. Everything to me is filtered through the 66 books. So if something doesn't line up with what I call the Bible then it automatically gets a warning label.

 

[Lafftur]

Why is it wrong to pray to Mary?

Because Mary is not our Father in Heaven, nor is she our Savior or Lord. In fact, at the wedding feast she could not turn water into wine but told the servants to do whatever Yeshua/Jesus told them to do.

So, how did Yeshua/Jesus tell us to pray? He told us when we pray we are to pray to the Father in His (Yeshua/Jesus) Name - never said one word about praying to Mary or even using her name.

Matthew 6:7-13 King James Version (KJV)
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


The priests should not be called "father."

Matthew 23:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Listen, there are plenty of things also wrong with protestant and ALL denominations. Even the Jews that truly did worship the ONE and ONLY TRUE God, missed Him......lol!

It's best to just follow Yeshua/Jesus.

After we are saved with the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus and "sealed," then "baptized" and "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit - the Holy Spirit will teach us the scriptures correctly and we'll know how to follow Yeshua/Jesus, not man-made doctrines or denominations.

 

[Lafftur]

Too true and I have to go now. By the time I'm back there will probably another 100 posts!

Hurry back soon, we will miss you! You are loved!

 

[Webers.Home]

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This comment is off-topic, but I seriously think it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing, twitter spelling,
unnecessary emogies, wordy dissertations that just seem to go on and on
forever, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures of fonts and colors, and/or
shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes for tiresome clutter and
annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are fanatical kooks.

● Phil 1:27 . . Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of
Christ.
_

 

[Rosemaryx]

There is nothing wrong with reading the Bible. It is an excellent thing to do.
But what you are suggesting is that everyone invents their own religion from the Bible. That is why you get 30,000 different Protestant denominations and one pastor churches teaching wildly conflicting doctrines.

Neither Jesus, nor the apostles handed out Bibles and said read that and work it all out from that. Jesus told the apostles “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to the whole creation" (Mk 16:15). They preached the truths that had been handed down to them.

John 5:39
“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!

 

[Deade]

We don't consider ourselves as Protestant. Is it ok if we label ourselves?

Yeah, well, go to Wikipedia and look up your denominations. They are clearly Protestant from a historical context. You can't deny your roots.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Because Mary is not our Father in Heaven, nor is she our Savior or Lord. In fact, at the wedding feast she could not turn water into wine but told the servants to do whatever Yeshua/Jesus told them to do.

So, how did Yeshua/Jesus tell us to pray? He told us when we pray we are to pray to the Father in His (Yeshua/Jesus) Name - never said one word about praying to Mary or even using her name.

Matthew 6:7-13 King James Version (KJV)
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


The priests should not be called "father."

Matthew 23:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Listen, there are plenty of things also wrong with protestant and ALL denominations. Even the Jews that truly did worship the ONE and ONLY TRUE God, missed Him......lol!

It's best to just follow Yeshua/Jesus.

After we are saved with the Body and Blood of Yeshua/Jesus and "sealed," then "baptized" and "continually filled" with the Holy Spirit - the Holy Spirit will teach us the scriptures correctly and we'll know how to follow Yeshua/Jesus, not man-made doctrines or denominations.

I agree. This is why grace and love should be drenched over our words and intentions because hypocrisy is everywhere. Of course we speak truth but speaking truth involves knowing the truth and having the discernment to use it.

There are debates then there are evangelism moments. In a debate we are defending our beliefs with facts, evidence and personal experience.

Evangelism moments are simply sharing the Gospel or explaining the Gospel.

Some come on here to debate their views while others come to learn. To discern between these is crucial how we respond. Are they worth the time? Could they be considered a false teacher and need a more stern approach in order to protect the babes in Christ. Is the soil fertile enough to evangelize or does it need further tilling.

Everything we do is the example we claim to be like Christ. Do they need the hypocrite Pharisee response or do they need the feeding of the 5000 response.

Where do we throw our pearls?

 

[Dino246]

So Paul was wrong to ask others to pray for him (Eph 6:19-20, Col 4:3, 1 Thess 5:25, 2 Thess 3:1).

And Paul was wrong to pray for others (2Thess 1:11)

I suspect you understand the vast distinction between "pray for" and "pray to".

There is no biblical record of Paul asking a deceased person to pray for him, nor of him praying to a deceased person, nor of him asking for or suggesting that any person living or deceased should pray to him. Prayers were always to God, never to a deceased person.

 

[Lafftur]

.
This comment is off-topic, but I seriously think it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and
tidy.

Excessive bolding and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing, twitter spelling,
unnecessary emogies, wordy dissertations that just seem to go on and on
forever, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures of fonts and colors, and/or
shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes for tiresome clutter and
annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves annoying enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can be as messy as they want because their comments don't
matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly believe ourselves to be
representing God's son; it's unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and
makes him look like his followers are fanatical kooks.

● Phil 1:27 . . Conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of
Christ.
_

OHHHHHHH Dear....... thank you so much for your post! However, U R probably in for a lot of unpleasurable replies... prepare URself! lol!

 

[Dino246]

So what if a catechism did not exist until 1566?
What relevance does that have to now?

It's more than adequate evidence that it was NOT handed down from the apostles and therefore... has no relevance now.

Um, can't answer my point then

Your point is ridiculously inconsistent with Scripture.

O right. We have to accept your false interpretations then?

I made no such claim. I point you to the Bible.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I suspect you understand the vast distinction between "pray for" and "pray to".

There is no biblical record of Paul asking a deceased person to pray for him, nor of him praying to a deceased person, nor of him asking for or suggesting that any person living or deceased should pray to him. Prayers were always to God, never to a deceased person.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.

 

[kaylagrl]

Don't believe justforcatholics. It tells lies and half truths.
Note I didn't claim there were 30,000 protestant denominations - I said denominations and one pastor churches.

However
The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates there are 33,000 protestant denominations.
And the Center for Global Christianity at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, estimates there are currently 47,000 denominations.

Denominations do not mean 30,000 different beliefs. Most of these differences have nothing to do with salvation but are simply how churches are governed.

 

[notuptome]

Too true and I have to go now. By the time I'm back there will probably another 100 posts!

Alas and you will be none the wiser.

Is grace an item that men can control and distribute or withhold at their pleasure?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jackson123]

Why is it wrong to pray to Mary?

Because Mary is human and not able to hear billion people pray to her.

 

[Lafftur]

@Roughsoul1991 and @Deade

Hey guys, I had never heard of the five solas..... had no idea what y'all were talking about.

Interesting........ Thanks!

The Five Solas are:

1. Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.

I agree, the Bible is the infallible Word of God and is the highest authority, but man can manipulate and twist the scriptures. It will take the Word and the Holy Spirit to rightly apply the scriptures.

2. Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
3. Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.

These two go together because Yeshua/Jesus is the Grace of God for us and when we place our faith in His finished work in His Body and Blood for us and believe He saves us.

4. Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.

This is true. Only Yeshua/Jesus Christ is Lord, Savior and King. The Father in Heaven gave mankind no other - only Yeshua/Jesus.

5. Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.

True, God alone receives all glory, honor and praise! Hallelujah! Just living this new life in Yeshua/Jesus Christ displays the goodness of God. He is faithful, He is merciful, righteous, true, compassionate, strong, mighty, powerful, etc..... all of God's attributes will eventually be displayed in our lives and God will be glorified in us!

Thanks again, brothers! God bless!

 

[Nehemiah6]

The World Christian Encyclopedia estimates there are 33,000 protestant denominations.

There are less than 20 major Christian denominations. No need to exaggerate things. And we should include the Catholic and Orthodox denominations. So what do we have:
1. Catholic
2. Orthodox
3. Presbyterian
4. Reformed
5. Lutheran
6. Anglican/Episcopalian
7. Baptists
8. Methodists
9. Pentecostals
10. Church of Christ
11. Church of God
12. Seventh Day Adventists
13. United Church of Christ
14. Non-denominational churches
15. Anabaptist groups

 

[Webers.Home]

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thank you so much for your post! However, U R probably in for a lot of unpleasurable replies.

Post #225 only applies to people who honestly believe themselves to be
representing God's son. Not that others have immunity because everyone
will eventually have to explain themselves some day.

● Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day
of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words
you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.
_

 

[Jackson123]

What the Catholic Church teaches is not "someone's opinion". It is the truth handed down by the apostles.

Your Bearan example is false. The Bearans were commended for believing Paul's new teaching that was not in the OT, unlike the Thessalonians who rejected him and his teaching. No doubt Paul referenced some OT texts and they checked that. They could check that his teaching did not contradict the OT, just as Catholic doctrines do not contradict the OT or NT (if properly interpreted.)

Apostle teaching is documented in the bible, where apostle teach to pray to Mary?

 

[Dino246]

There the Father rebuked the father of lies "Satan" and Peter's blasphemy was forgiven.

Nowhere in Scripture is Peter's "correction" of Jesus called "blasphemy".