The Holy Spirit in Acts according to Acts

[EleventhHour]

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written. John 21:25

gonna have to go through all my Bibles in the morning and strike out that verse

some people think they are babysitting God

Can you please repeat.... your words are a little muffled with that mask....

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The Holy Spirit in Acts, gives Commandments (1:2), gives Power (1:8), speaks (1:16), fills Believers (2:4), is poured out (2:18), is received (2:33), is a Gift (2:38), discerns lies (5:3), can be tempted (5:9), witnesses (5:32), gives wisdom (6:3), gives Faith (6:5), can be resisted (7:51), gives direction (8:29), comforts (9:31), speaks (10:19), anoints (10:38), falls on people (11:15), baptizes (11:16), signifies (11:28), sends (13:4); and in John, convicts and reproves (16:8), guides into all Truth (16:13), glorifies Christ (16:14), etc.

These are only a few things the Spirit does.

 

[presidente]

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)

You have plenty of theories that you cannot provide scripture for, which I and others have pointed out. Where is your scripture for saying the church is Israel for example? Where is your scripture for saying that the apostles gave Philip the gift of the Holy Spirit?

 

[presidente]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8088740 This explains a lot.

Correlation does not prove causation. I had a friend who talked about a number of mentally retarted people that went to his church when he was a child. He was in the Assemblies of God. The church reached out to these people. There are Pentecostal and Charismatic churches who have outreaches to drug addicts. It's an evangelistic movement, and some of the churches reach out to troubled people.

 

[presidente]

Each time speaking in tongues happened IT WAS RECORDED by the Holy Spirit through Luke (and we are presently focused on Acts). Therefore when there is no such record, there was no such speaking in tongues. Here is an excellent example:

This is called building doctrine on assumption, not the teaching of scripture. The Bible doesn't say that it records every instance of tongues. The way it is addressed in I Corinthians is good evidence that not every individual case of speaking in tongues is specifically presented in scripture. They had been speaking in tongues, but detailed accounts are not recorded.

ACTS 16: A HOUSEHOLD SAVED BUT NO TONGUES SPOKEN
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

I don't know anyone on the forum who would think if the jailer was saved, he necessarily spoke in tongues. There are oneness Pentecostals who think that way. But 95% of Pentecostals do not believe that way, and it would be hard to find a Charismatic who thought that way.

There are two recorded instances in Acts where people were saved and spoke in tongues. That was in order to give believing and unbelieving Jews evidence that the Holy Spirit was also given to Gentiles.

The passage does not teach that this was the sole purpose and role of speaking in tongues among Gentiles. Such an assertion contradicts other scripture-- I Corinthians 12-14.

The Jews of that time (including Peter) did not believe that Gentiles would be saved just like Jews, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. So God gave Jews evidence through genuine tongues (not modern glossolalia).

'Glossalalia' is an unfortunately and misleading term. It is made up of words used to describe speaking in tongues in scripture, but linguists use it for a pseudolanguage. Pentecostals historically believed in speaking in tongues as speaking in languages, and there were many accounts at Azusa street, and since, of people recognizing their own languages spoken 'in tongues.' The newsletter from Azusa Street had many testimonies of it as did other people who attended the revival meetings in their books and meetings.

The Corinthian church included both Jews and Gentiles. Therefore This is what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:22: Wherefore tongues are for a sign [evidence], not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

'Evidence' is a sloppy explanation of 'sign' and it does not fit well in this context. The sign is that though God speaks through men of other tongues and other lips to this people, yet for all that, they will not hear him. It is fulfilled when they hear tongues and say 'ye are mad.'

 

[presidente]

Yes and in Acts 2:4 they were filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. Do cloven tongues of fire appear at the same time?

There is no reference to cloven tongues of fire in Acts 10 or Acts 19.

Eph 2

I do not see 'baptism with the Holy Spirit' in the verses in this passage that mention the Holy Spirit.

What would you like to call it? I suggest you are just looking for an argument.

I have requested politely for you to argue your case from scripture. If you can not, you should concede that you cannot.

 

[presidente]

Jesus told the 12 and no others they would receive the baptism. They must have been with John.

Jesus did many other things not written in the book of John, so much that the world could not contain the books. The Bible tells us words Jesus said. It doesn't tell us everything He said.

But John the baptist was a prophet and he spoke his words to people other than the twelve apostles, though it is possible that all of them heard him. Some probably did, the ones who were his disciples before following Jesus.

But I wonder what motivates you to post such obviously misleading posts. Are you being disengenous or is your mind really that confused? It is clear that John's words were not just spoken to the twelve. He'd just addressed Pharisees and Saducees. All Judea had come out to hear him.

 

[EternalFire]

Scripture is there to reveal to us the heart, mind, and will of God. Therefore it is the Word of God. And it is totally sufficient for all believers and for all reasons (2 Tim 3:15-17). So to answer your question, we should not be looking at extra-biblical sources for enlightenment.

Hmm. I wonder why Paul quoted extra-biblical sources? How dare he do such a thing, and even on more than one occasion!

https://carm.org/did-paul-quote-pagan-philosophers

 

[Dave-L]

Jesus did many other things not written in the book of John, so much that the world could not contain the books. The Bible tells us words Jesus said. It doesn't tell us everything He said.

But John the baptist was a prophet and he spoke his words to people other than the twelve apostles, though it is possible that all of them heard him. Some probably did, the ones who were his disciples before following Jesus.

But I wonder what motivates you to post such obviously misleading posts. Are you being disengenous or is your mind really that confused? It is clear that John's words were not just spoken to the twelve. He'd just addressed Pharisees and Saducees. All Judea had come out to hear him.

You must not add your ideas to scripture. It says;

This was not the 120. But the 12 only.

1“But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:” Acts 2:14 (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave-L]

Correlation does not prove causation. I had a friend who talked about a number of mentally retarted people that went to his church when he was a child. He was in the Assemblies of God. The church reached out to these people. There are Pentecostal and Charismatic churches who have outreaches to drug addicts. It's an evangelistic movement, and some of the churches reach out to troubled people.

Do they attract the mentally ill, or cause mental illness? I saw a Dr. of theology and Christian author go crazy and kill himself and over 100 people in a Pentecostal sect. And a local Pentecostal lady poured gas on herself and light a match, committing suicide. Something. Both of these were normal before these entanglements.

 

[Dave-L]

You have plenty of theories that you cannot provide scripture for, which I and others have pointed out. Where is your scripture for saying the church is Israel for example? Where is your scripture for saying that the apostles gave Philip the gift of the Holy Spirit?

Faith comes from scripture according to Paul.

 

[Dave-L]

Are we to believe that God can only act based on Scripture?

We add to scripture unless it says what you claim.

 

[Dave-L]

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

"And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever."

"Now Jesus said the Father will give the holy Spirit to them that ask. Jesus says that He will pray the Fathe rand He will give you another helper. "

"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied."

This here is exactly how it happen to me. We believe John 3 16-17 we believe Rom 10 9-10.. a why not luke 13? Why not just ask as God said? Another verse I take just as He said it. And seen this happen every time someone asks. He kept His word.

All believers have the gift of the Holy Spirit. None today have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dave-L]

Oh goodness, Dave-L..... I actually think you might be right about the 120..... When are the 120 in scripture?

Hey, what do you think about God pouring out His Spirit on ALL flesh not just the 12 apostles?

All believers have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Only the 12 Apostles had the Baptism originally. And later those whom they laid hands on according to scripture. Plus the Gentiles at Cornelius' house in that outpouring.

 

[notuptome]

There is no reference to cloven tongues of fire in Acts 10 or Acts 19.

Why do you suppose the cloven tongues of fire were not present in those cases? No rushing wind either or it's presence was not recorded for our edification.

I do not see 'baptism with the Holy Spirit' in the verses in this passage that mention the Holy Spirit.

It is not spelled out but the evidence is clearly there.

I have requested politely for you to argue your case from scripture. If you can not, you should concede that you cannot.

Will you accept the scripture that I give you? Or will you dismiss scripture for Pentecostal doctrine and your personal experiences?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[miknik5]

You have plenty of theories that you cannot provide scripture for, which I and others have pointed out. Where is your scripture for saying the church is Israel for example? Where is your scripture for saying that the apostles gave Philip the gift of the Holy Spirit?

Acts 8 and Acts 19 are two of the scriptures which say that the apostles had the power (through Jesus, for it is His work alone to send the Comforter), to lay hands on those who would (through Jesus, for it is His work alone to send the Comforter) receive the Holy Spirit.

It is by receiving the word of Faith, which is in and through and by Jesus, that those who hear the Gospel and believe, will be washed and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
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It isn't man's work...It's God's...and it is believing in Jesus that one believes in The Father who sent Him...for those who do not believe, call God a liar, by not believing in His Son.

 

[miknik5]

Jesus did many other things not written in the book of John, so much that the world could not contain the books. The Bible tells us words Jesus said. It doesn't tell us everything He said.

But John the baptist was a prophet and he spoke his words to people other than the twelve apostles, though it is possible that all of them heard him. Some probably did, the ones who were his disciples before following Jesus.

But I wonder what motivates you to post such obviously misleading posts. Are you being disengenous or is your mind really that confused? It is clear that John's words were not just spoken to the twelve. He'd just addressed Pharisees and Saducees. All Judea had come out to hear him.

John can't save, nor can anyone be baptized into John's death and be made a new creation in John....John was just a herald to the One to whom he pointed all men to...Chrst

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Can you please repeat.... your words are a little muffled with that mask....

mmmf?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

All believers have the gift of the Holy Spirit. None today have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

you lie

 

[miknik5]

you lie

All believers are baptized into CHRIST and sealed/covenanted/set apart to GOD through faith in the WORD of TRUTH...that is, the Gospel...Not all believers have the gift(s) of the Holy Spirit.