why do god support genocide?

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1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
 
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This is a reasonable question, though some might criticize you for asking it.

God destroyed the land-dwelling, air-breathing creatures in the flood because "every inclination of the thoughts of (man's) heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5). Plus, there is good evidence (though partly from outside the Bible) that there was some dark spiritual stuff going on, and that the flood cleansed the earth of that, at least temporarily.

The cities of the plain were given over to wickedness. This is explained in Ezekiel 16.

God took the firstborn of Egypt for (at least) two reasons: because Pharoah had been killing the boys of Israel, and because He was doing battle with the wicked spiritual entities that controlled Egypt. He was demonstrating His vast superiority over the false gods.

The Canaanites were horribly wicked in their pagan religions, even to the extent of throwing infants into fires to worship the idols. Their practices were an utter abomination before God, and He knew that they would pollute Israel if they were permitted to stay... which they did later on.

The Amalekite destruction is explained in 1 Samuel 15:2.
 
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sleeper92 said:
1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
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have you read these accounts? the record of each one gives the reason He judged them.

He created mankind. if i plant a tree, am i judged for pruning it? for removing dead branches?
 
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Romans, Chapter 11:
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Job, Chapter 38:
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.


1 Corinthians, Chapter 1:
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:16 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Isaiah 45:9-12 - Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands? (Read More...)

Romans 9:20 - Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?

1 Corinthians 13:12 - For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

(there is a lesson to be learned within these Scriptures)
 
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People are inherently evil. The human heart is wicked. We deserve the wrath of God, and He has every right to unleash it on us. But praise God that He is also loving and shows mercy and grace to the humble.
 
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God kills every person ever born. He would be bad if he did not because the wages of sin is death. But killing in the genocidal sense meant those had less sin to pay for in hell forever, than if they all lived to a ripe old age. So the goodness of God can cause the death of even the Canaanites sparing them a worse fate forever in hell.
 
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Because the wages of sin is death.
We all sin, and death is our reward, justice served. We all deserve to die for our own sin. It's only the mercy and patience of God that has stayed his hand from destroying us all, if he were to serve justice alone, there would not be one who could stand. We would all be dead and rightfully so. But he has mercy and has given grace so we live.
 
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Dave-L said:
God kills every person ever born. He would be bad if he did not because the wages of sin is death. But killing in the genocidal sense meant those had less sin to pay for in hell forever, than if they all lived to a ripe old age. So the goodness of God can cause the death of even the Canaanites sparing them a worse fate forever in hell.
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Your answer "sounds" rational, but is consistent with the heresy of purgatory. You can make a much better argument by saying that God limited the damage done on earth by removing sooner those who were heinously evil.
 
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Dino246 said:
Your answer "sounds" rational, but is consistent with the heresy of purgatory. You can make a much better argument by saying that God limited the damage done on earth by removing sooner those who were heinously evil.
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And the LORD said,
My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh
(Genesis 6:3)

;)​
 
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I Corinthians, Chapter 7, verse 6:But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.


Chapter 11, verse 16:

But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
 
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sleeper92 said:
1. The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
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When he created people in his image and likeness prior to kicking them out of the garden for something he knew they would succumb to?
Good question.
 
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Dave-L said:
God kills every person ever born. He would be bad if he did not because the wages of sin is death. But killing in the genocidal sense meant those had less sin to pay for in hell forever, than if they all lived to a ripe old age. So the goodness of God can cause the death of even the Canaanites sparing them a worse fate forever in hell.
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Your hell view doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
killing people in the genocidal sense meant those people had less sin to pay for in hell forever. Less sin doesn't mean diddley when that person is in hell forever. Unborn babies died in the womb when their mother drowned during the flood. What sin do they have to pay for forever?

Then again, Jews don't have a hell so where did that fire and brimstone bottomless pit come from?When it is bottomless how does the fire and brimstone have a place to fire up? And why would God that created everything and knows everything open hell for human souls to enter? When he made the place of suffering for lucifer and the angels that warred in heaven with him against their maker?

God knows all so he opens a place of eternal torture to receive people he made to be there?
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Because the wages of sin is death.
We all sin, and death is our reward, justice served. We all deserve to die for our own sin. It's only the mercy and patience of God that has stayed his hand from destroying us all, if he were to serve justice alone, there would not be one who could stand. We would all be dead and rightfully so. But he has mercy and has given grace so we live.
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The rule behind the offense of sin was created by God.
 
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Brandnewday said:
Your hell view doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
killing people in the genocidal sense meant those people had less sin to pay for in hell forever. Less sin doesn't mean diddley when that person is in hell forever. Unborn babies died in the womb when their mother drowned during the flood. What sin do they have to pay for forever?

Then again, Jews don't have a hell so where did that fire and brimstone bottomless pit come from?When it is bottomless how does the fire and brimstone have a place to fire up? And why would God that created everything and knows everything open hell for human souls to enter? When he made the place of suffering for lucifer and the angels that warred in heaven with him against their maker?

God knows all so he opens a place of eternal torture to receive people he made to be there?
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God condemns the wicked. He would not be good if he did not. Less sin = less hell. So his killing the Canaanites was merciful having them mostly die young.
 
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God condemns the wicked. He would not be good if he did not. Less sin = less hell. So his killing the Canaanites was merciful having them mostly die young.
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Yeah? Support your claim using God's words.

Less sin=less hell. So for that first born Egyptian child that God killed when they were but two years old, that kid was in and out of hell in not time according to your belief system, right?
 
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posthuman said:
have you read these accounts? the record of each one gives the reason He judged them.

He created mankind. if i plant a tree, am i judged for pruning it? for removing dead branches?
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You're using a tree analogy? Really? OK.


Did you create the tree first?
 
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Dave-L said:
But killing in the genocidal sense meant those had less sin to pay for in hell forever, than if they all lived to a ripe old age.
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Scriptural source?
 
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Brandnewday said:
Yeah? Support your claim using God's words.

Less sin=less hell. So for that first born Egyptian child that God killed when they were but two years old, that kid was in and out of hell in not time according to your belief system, right?
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“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” Psalm 5:5 (KJV 1900)

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” Mark 9:43–48 (KJV 1900)
 
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Dave-L said:
“The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.” Psalm 5:5 (KJV 1900)

“And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” Mark 9:43–48 (KJV 1900)
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KJV 1900?
 
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