Prophecy Teachers

[Diakonos]

Seems to me many that are many well studied in the Old Testament and there still is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the New Testament especially in the area of eschatology.

There will never be a unanimous consensus of Biblical doctrine. But I can tell you this for sure:
The literal interpretation of Scripture is the only consistent view.
(i happen to believe, but ) I'm not saying its the right view, but i am say that it is the only consistent view.

An allegorical view opens up the door to interpreting the text however you want. But God himself is consistent. I just read this morning in Psalm 89:34
"My covenant I will not violate,
Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips".
Since God and His Word is consistent, so should be our interpretation.

Scripture was given literally: "But know this first of all, that Scripture is not a matter of one’s own interpretation" 1 Pet 1:20

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
-Isaiah 55:8-11

God knew that we couldn't possibly comprehend His thoughts, so He gave us His Words. That's why Bible translations should be consistent in this regard, as well as doctrine. Word-for-word translations give us exactly what the authors wrote, while thought-for-thought translations give us what today's translators think the authors meant.

 

[EleventhHour]

There will never be a unanimous consensus of Biblical doctrine. But I can tell you this for sure:
The literal interpretation of Scripture is the only consistent view.
(i happen to believe, but ) I'm not saying its the right view, but i am say that it is the only consistent view.

An allegorical view opens up the door to interpreting the text however you want. But God himself is consistent. I just read this morning in Psalm 89:34
"My covenant I will not violate,
Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips".
Since God and His Word is consistent, so should be our interpretation.

Scripture was given literally: "But know this first of all, that Scripture is not a matter of one’s own interpretation" 1 Pet 1:20

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
-Isaiah 55:8-11

God knew that we couldn't possibly comprehend His thoughts, so He gave us His Words. That's why Bible translations should be consistent in this regard, as well as doctrine. Word-for-word translations give us exactly what the authors wrote, while thought-for-thought translations give us what today's translators think the authors meant.

Scripture employs a variety of different literary techniques.
A literal approach to all text creates many problems.

Best to use the proper hermeneutics.

 

[crossnote]

Seems to me many that are many well studied in the Old Testament and there still is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the New Testament especially in the area of eschatology.

Not all so called scholars are born again. Many born again Christians are not well studied. Israelology is an important point as 90% of the Old Testament involves Israel and God's dealing with them whereas about 80% of the N.T. involves the Church and God's dealings with her. Mixing the two creates the confusion.

 

[EleventhHour]

Not all so called scholars are born again. Many born again Christians are not well studied. Israelology is an important point as 90% of the Old Testament involves Israel and God's dealing with them whereas about 80% of the N.T. involves the Church and God's dealings with her. Mixing the two creates the confusion.

Good point and I agree for sure.

 

[Dave-L]

Not all so called scholars are born again. Many born again Christians are not well studied. Israelology is an important point as 90% of the Old Testament involves Israel and God's dealing with them whereas about 80% of the N.T. involves the Church and God's dealings with her. Mixing the two creates the confusion.

The Church is Israel Comparison

Called;
1. Saints (Num. 16:3: Deut. 33:3)
2. Elect (Deut. 7:6,7; 14:2)
3. Beloved (Deut. 7:7; 4:37)
4. Called (Isa. 41:9; 43:1)
5. Church (Ps. 89:5; Mic. 2:5 (LXX)Act. 7:38; Heb. 2:12)
6. Flock (Ezek. 34; Ps. 77:20)
7. Holy Nation (Exod. 19:5,6)
8. Kingdom of Priests (Exod.19:5,6)
9. Peculiar Treasure (Exod. 19:5,6)
10. God's People (Hos. 1:9,10)
11. Holy People (Deut. 7:6)
12. People of Inheritance (Deut.4:20)
13. God's Tabernacle in Israel (Lev.26:11)
14. God walks among them (Lev. 26:12)
15. Twelve Patriarchs
16. Christ married to them (Isa.54:5;Jer.3:14;Hos.2:19;Jer.6:2; 31:32)

Called in the NT;

1. Saints (Eph. 1:1; Rom. 1:7)
2. Elect (Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1)
3. Beloved (Col.3:12; 1 Thess 1:4)
4. Called (Rom. 1:6,7; lCor.l:2)
5. Church (Eph. 1:1;Acts 20:28)
6. Flock (Luke 12:32; 1 Pet. 5:2)
7. Holy Nation (1 Pet. 2:9)
8. Kingdom of Priests (1 Pet. 2:9)
9. Peculiar Treasure (1 Pet. 2:9)
10. God's People (1 Pet. 2:10)
11. Holy People (1 Pet. 1:15,16)
12. People of Inheritance (Eph. 1:18)
13. God's Tabernacle in Church (John 1:14)
14. God walks among them (2 Cor.6:16-18)
15. Twelve Apostles
16. Christ married to them (Eph.5:22,23;2Cor.11:2)

 

[crossnote]

The Church is Israel Comparison

Called;
1. Saints (Num. 16:3: Deut. 33:3)
2. Elect (Deut. 7:6,7; 14:2)
3. Beloved (Deut. 7:7; 4:37)
4. Called (Isa. 41:9; 43:1)
5. Church (Ps. 89:5; Mic. 2:5 (LXX)Act. 7:38; Heb. 2:12)
6. Flock (Ezek. 34; Ps. 77:20)
7. Holy Nation (Exod. 19:5,6)
8. Kingdom of Priests (Exod.19:5,6)
9. Peculiar Treasure (Exod. 19:5,6)
10. God's People (Hos. 1:9,10)
11. Holy People (Deut. 7:6)
12. People of Inheritance (Deut.4:20)
13. God's Tabernacle in Israel (Lev.26:11)
14. God walks among them (Lev. 26:12)
15. Twelve Patriarchs
16. Christ married to them (Isa.54:5;Jer.3:14;Hos.2:19;Jer.6:2; 31:32)

Called in the NT;

1. Saints (Eph. 1:1; Rom. 1:7)
2. Elect (Col. 3:12; Titus 1:1)
3. Beloved (Col.3:12; 1 Thess 1:4)
4. Called (Rom. 1:6,7; lCor.l:2)
5. Church (Eph. 1:1;Acts 20:28)
6. Flock (Luke 12:32; 1 Pet. 5:2)
7. Holy Nation (1 Pet. 2:9)
8. Kingdom of Priests (1 Pet. 2:9)
9. Peculiar Treasure (1 Pet. 2:9)
10. God's People (1 Pet. 2:10)
11. Holy People (1 Pet. 1:15,16)
12. People of Inheritance (Eph. 1:18)
13. God's Tabernacle in Church (John 1:14)
14. God walks among them (2 Cor.6:16-18)
15. Twelve Apostles
16. Christ married to them (Eph.5:22,23;2Cor.11:2)

Do you know your tenses?
Matthew 16:18 KJVS
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus does not say 'I am building my Church', but rather 'I will build' ...future tense.

 

[CS1]

Went through a Sunday School class last year on Daniel. Found it very interesting.

I'm looking to learn more about the Bible's prophecies.

Given this - what 5 to 7 teachers would you recommend - that is reading their materials or watching their videos.

Also - who would you avoid at all costs and why?

Looking to get a good jump - have googled only to find all kinds of stuff.

Also - anyone have any good seminars they would recommend?

Thanks

that is good you studied the book of Daniel. Daniel is a parallel Book to the book of Revelation.

Yes pray and if you have a home church speak to your pastor.

 

[pottersclay]

Went through a Sunday School class last year on Daniel. Found it very interesting.

I'm looking to learn more about the Bible's prophecies.

Given this - what 5 to 7 teachers would you recommend - that is reading their materials or watching their videos.

Also - who would you avoid at all costs and why?

Looking to get a good jump - have googled only to find all kinds of stuff.

Also - anyone have any good seminars they would recommend?

Thanks

I'm so glad and excited for you interest may the Lord direct your heart and mind.
I hope you have a good foundation so the Lord can build from there (hint).

 

[Dave-L]

Do you know your tenses?
Matthew 16:18 KJVS
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus does not say 'I am building my Church', but rather 'I will build' ...future tense.

The Church is believers only under the New Covenant. This is the church Jesus is building. The church was believers and unbelievers under the Old Covenant. In building his Church, Jesus removed all the unbelievers. It's the same Church but believers only.

 

[crossnote]

The Church is believers only under the New Covenant. This is the church Jesus is building. The church was believers and unbelievers under the Old Covenant. In building his Church, Jesus removed all the unbelievers. It's the same Church but believers only.

Again, you are completely ignoring the text. Jesus said, "I will build my Church', not 'I have been building' or 'I am building'. Plain English indicates a future project and Acts 20:28 reveals that it was Jesus blood that purchased His Church...

Acts 20:28 (KJV) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

 

[Dave-L]

Again, you are completely ignoring the text. Jesus said, "I will build my Church', not 'I have been building' or 'I am building'. Plain English indicates a future project and Acts 20:28 reveals that it was Jesus blood that purchased His Church...

Acts 20:28 (KJV) Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” Acts 7:38 (KJV 1900)

 

[CS1]

The Church is believers only under the New Covenant. This is the church Jesus is building. The church was believers and unbelievers under the Old Covenant. In building his Church, Jesus removed all the unbelievers. It's the same Church but believers only.

the word Jesus said
" Peter upon this Rock I will build my church" the rock is the foundational Truth Peter said as the Holy Spirit gave it to him you ready? here it is the 'Rock",

Matthew 16:16

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

that is it.

 

[Dave-L]

the word Jesus said
" Peter upon this Rock I will build my church" the rock is the foundational Truth Peter said as the Holy Spirit gave it to him you ready? here it is the 'Rock",

Matthew 16:16

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

that is it.

But the Church was always Jesus' Church but he is now building it as a spiritual body only, having removed the unbelievers.

 

[crossnote]

“This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:” Acts 7:38 (KJV 1900)

I.C. you are going to establisoh a doctrine by one verse referring to an OT Church with a reference found in the NT. Has it ever occurred to you the word 'Church' never occurs in the OT yet it occurs 79 times in the NT, the first being in MT 16:18...

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Dave-L]

I.C. you are going to establisoh a doctrine by one verse referring to an OT Church with a reference found in the NT. Has it ever occurred to you the word 'Church' never occurs in the OT yet it occurs 79 times in the NT, the first being in MT 16:18...

Matthew 16:18 (KJV) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The Congregation (Church) of the Lord appears over 300 times in the OT.

 

[CS1]

But the Church was always Jesus' Church but he is now building it as a spiritual body only, having removed the unbelievers.

the rock is faith. the church is the body of Christ WHO HE is the Head of

 

[Dave-L]

the rock is faith. the church is the body of Christ WHO HE is the Head of

Abraham and all believers in the OT were the Church.

 

[crossnote]

The Congregation (Church) of the Lord appears over 300 times in the OT.

Yes, but a con-gregation is not the same as a Church (ekklesia-called out). It is closer to a synagogue (gathering together). But nice try.

 

[Dave-L]

Yes, but a con-gregation is not the same as a Church (ekklesia-called out). It is closer to a synagogue (gathering together). But nice try.

The body of Christ the Church existed ever since two or more joined in worship. Church = Congregation = assembly.

 

[Diakonos]

Scripture employs a variety of different literary techniques.
A literal approach to all text creates many problems.

Best to use the proper hermeneutics.

Its important not to confuse "Literal" and "Literalistic". I think you're assuming I mean the latter, but that's not the case here.

To take Scripture Literally means according to the author's intention, recognizing the Literary genre, and not imposing another meaning unless the Word tells us it is using a figure of speech