So, you're of the opinion that there's multiple ways to get to the Truth? Because it seems to me, that there's a LOT of disagreement between these churches over who's right.
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So, you're of the opinion that there's multiple ways to get to the Truth? Because it seems to me, that there's a LOT of disagreement between these churches over who's right.
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eternally-gratefull
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Actually there are only two gospels taught by any and all churches.
1. Gospel of grace through faith. Not of works of any kind.
2. Gospel of faith and works (although some churches have a greater list of works required than others)
Now. as to how one worships, And some other non-essential doctrines, yes there is a great variety of churches.
You have just mentioned all denomination churches. Do you know what a denomination church is ?.
So, rather than answer you plan to dodge the question eh? If THE Church is not a denomination church, what church is the right one? Where can someone who wishes to attend find their address? What about the statement of belief? What is their name?
Its a common argument of the RC to use the many denominations. But what the RC church neglects to mention is that it has its own denominations. who all share some central RC doctrines but all have their own unique slant.
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Rosewater
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What are the denominations of the Catholic Church? As far as I know there is Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Catholic, the East-West divide as it concerns Catholicism.
I thought one is either Catholic or Protestant (Protestant meaning any of the two thousand demonations of Protestantism.
And again, the Roman Catholic Church was the first established in the 1st century and all other denominations are break aways from that original Church.
All the different orders, they may all adhere to Rome as under the Popes authority yet they have their own unique outlooks, With all their unique scripture challenges.
Not much different than evangelical denominations.
Not much different than evangelical denominations.
You confuse the original Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church with the later-emergent Roman Catholic Church. The original 1st-century "c"atholic church is not the later "C"atholic church.
The RCC and EOC both claim to be the original. Regardless how it all declined, the RCC whored the church out and some kind of restoration was needed. The RCC is more corrupt now than ever, though many good hearted people are trapped without a true awareness of the RCC world agenda.
I don't agree with many things that have emerged from Protestantism, but ANYTHING beats Papal supremacy, forbidding to marry, doctrines of indulgences, and the myriad of mystical and legalistic practices of the RCC.
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eternally-gratefull
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I answered the question. Whats wrong. you believe there is more than one gospel yourself? Even your church claims other churches can still get to heaven, even though they do not follow the same gospel as yours.
He's talking about different liturgical rites. However, while us Byzantine rite Catholics may use a different liturgy, that's more a cosmetic difference than a theological one.
What destroys credibility for Catholics is their blythe refusal to acknowledge the horrific history of the RCC.
As a Protestant, I am quite aware of the many problem areas through the centuries and I'm candid about them.
Catholics bridge back and claim 1st century validity while "glossing over" 1.7 millennia of atrocities
Catholicism is predominantly non-Christian and heretical.
As a Protestant, I am quite aware of the many problem areas through the centuries and I'm candid about them.
Catholics bridge back and claim 1st century validity while "glossing over" 1.7 millennia of atrocities
Catholicism is predominantly non-Christian and heretical.
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Rosewater
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Pneuma - we do acknowledge errors of men in the Church. I emphasised men because the Church is highly patriarchial but we humans are fallible and subject to evil forces. No doubt the Catholic Church has had some not so great history and episodes of corruption and embarrassments, of Popes that practiced less than what the Bible and apostles teach, however the divinely inspired Church still stands today and will stand to the end of time and continues to be divinely inspired. Of course you will not agree with that but I can't help but be convinced by the saints and religious throughout the centuries of the Catholic Church that continuestoday with such things as the apparitions at Fatima and recently at Medjuorje.
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Rosewater
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That said, I don't presume to know God's plan and there must be a reason that the original Church broke off into Protestantism and the many denominations of Protestants. What is important is the messageof salvation through Christ.
Error? I suppose that's one way to massively understate historical murderous atrocities and genocide; along with occultism and subversion through the centuries, culminating in more modern issues like epidemic pederasty.
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Rosewater
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That is kind of like blaming today's German government forthe past government of Hitler and the holocaust. Does the Church have stains, very serious ones, yes and yet somehow it still stands.
So stand the Muslims. So stand the Hindus. And the Church isn't an organization.
And pederasty is very much the current regime's downfall.
Papacy is heresy. A serving Priesthood is heresy. Many RCC doctrines and practices are heretical and/or erroneous.
Charitable and benevolent and malevolent works can be done by anyone. The RCC doesn't share a salvific Gospel.
You are institutionalized. How would you know differently?
Would you let you son or grandson be an altarboy?
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Rosewater
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Everybody seems to call everybody else herectics. Makes me think I am back in medieval times. As I said I don't presume to know God's plan. In any case, I hear you loud and clear you dislike the Roman Catholic Church and don't think much of it and so have come to expect your contrary comments to anything I may say about the Church.
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eternally-gratefull
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YES! This is the most important message. Unfortunately all the churches which teach a Gospel of works (including the roman church) Are teaching a false gospel not from God. Trying top earn their way to heaven, instead of receiving Gods gift,
DODGE THE QUESTION, IF I DONT KNOW THE ANSWER I'LL SAY SO. IF IM WRONG PLEASE PLEASE SOMEONE SHOW ME WITH SCRIPTURES. SINCE I WAS 20 THATS ALL IVE DESIRED FROM MY HEART.
IF THE CHURCH AINT A DENOMINATION AND THEY STAY TRUE TO THE WORD . IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN EPHESIANS 4 V 10 - 11 CHURCH. ALSO THAT CHURCH ,ONE CAN'T JOIN, YOU MUST BE BORN INTO IT BY THE HOLY GHOST. FOR THEIR IS ONE CHURCH ONE BAPTISM ONE FAITH E .T .C
THE BIBLE CALLS IT THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN. LOOOOL I LOVE THAT CHURCH, LOOL IM IN IT BY THE GRACE OF ALMIGHTY GOD