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PennEd

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I really don’t like getting caught up in the discussion about whether the virus is a little threat a medium threat or a gigantic threat. It is an irrelevant point for me.

The moment you go down that quagmire the most vital point is missing. I believe our Canadian, and European friends do not understand just how sacred many Americans view freedom and our Constitution.

Well known patriotic axioms like “Give me liberty or give me death” is strange to their ears.

So if we agree that one death nationally would never constitute the destruction of our freedom, economy, and sanity, what IS the number of deaths that would constitute losing those things?

And if we agree on an arbitrary number, say 200,000 for sake of argument, why wouldn’t that be enumerated in our Constitution, or at the least a submission of such an amendment?Otherwise we are governed like every other nation in history. By the whims of men and their “experts”.
 
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EleventhHour

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PennEd said:
I really don’t like getting caught up in the discussion about whether the virus is a little threat a medium threat or a gigantic threat. It is an irrelevant point for me.

The moment you go down that quagmire the most vital point is missing. I believe our Canadian, and European friends do not understand just how sacred many Americans view freedom and our Constitution.

Well known patriotic axioms like “Give me liberty or give me death” is strange to their ears.

So if we agree that one death nationally would never constitute the destruction of our freedom, economy, and sanity, what IS the number of deaths that would constitute losing those things?

And if we agree on an arbitrary number, say 200,000 for sake of argument, why wouldn’t that be enumerated in our Constitution, or at the least a submission of such an amendment?Otherwise we are governed like every other nation in history. By the whims of men and their “experts”.
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Just wondering what freedoms have been "permanently" revoked so far?

So how do we know that a loss of permanent freedom will be the result of this pandemic?

How far does individual liberty of freedom of assembly and freedom of movement allowed when the death of another (or many) can be the result?

Do our individual liberties give us the freedom to act irresponsibly and put the lives of doctors, nurses front line workers in jeopardy?

Why is a country like Japan able to act in concert to preserve life (we are in this together) and then come back out not worrying about their constitutional rights which they do have as well.

These are not black and white questions and they are real problems.

Some on here (not you) are willing to go to the extreme of calling it a hoax rather than deal with the true real questions.
 
Magenta

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PennEd said:
I believe our Canadian, and European friends do not understand just how sacred many Americans view freedom and our Constitution.
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You are wrong :oops:
 
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EleventhHour

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PennEd said:
I really don’t like getting caught up in the discussion about whether the virus is a little threat a medium threat or a gigantic threat. It is an irrelevant point for me.

The moment you go down that quagmire the most vital point is missing. I believe our Canadian, and European friends do not understand just how sacred many Americans view freedom and our Constitution.

Well known patriotic axioms like “Give me liberty or give me death” is strange to their ears.

So if we agree that one death nationally would never constitute the destruction of our freedom, economy, and sanity, what IS the number of deaths that would constitute losing those things?

And if we agree on an arbitrary number, say 200,000 for sake of argument, why wouldn’t that be enumerated in our Constitution, or at the least a submission of such an amendment?Otherwise we are governed like every other nation in history. By the whims of men and their “experts”.
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As well, history repeats and during the Spanish Flu ... the right of assembly was also suspended.

Friday, October 11, 1918
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA: The city council issued an ordinance closing all churches, prompting the city’s Christian Scientists to protest that they provide “services for the dissemination of a universal understanding of omnipotent Divine power, reliance upon which effectually aids in destroying the dread of contagion….” Four weeks later, a local appeals court refused to release Harry P. Hitchcock, a Christian Scientist “arrested for attending a public church gathering in violation of the city anti-flu ordinances.” One of five Scientists arrested, Hitchcock had argued that the order was an “unconstitutional… unwarranted exercise of the police power.”
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Whispered

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Magenta said:
On the same page you linked us to:

Thai King self-isolates in a top hotel with a 'harem' of 20 women concubines amid Coronavirus

It seems some people just do not know how to isolate:unsure:
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Elon Musk is self quarantined on his personal yacht that looks more like a cruise ship.
Tesla announced just days ago they're going to put a V-8 soundtrack in their new model electric cars. Really?
 
Whispered

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PennEd said:
I really don’t like getting caught up in the discussion about whether the virus is a little threat a medium threat or a gigantic threat. It is an irrelevant point for me.

The moment you go down that quagmire the most vital point is missing. I believe our Canadian, and European friends do not understand just how sacred many Americans view freedom and our Constitution.

Well known patriotic axioms like “Give me liberty or give me death” is strange to their ears.

So if we agree that one death nationally would never constitute the destruction of our freedom, economy, and sanity, what IS the number of deaths that would constitute losing those things?

And if we agree on an arbitrary number, say 200,000 for sake of argument, why wouldn’t that be enumerated in our Constitution, or at the least a submission of such an amendment?Otherwise we are governed like every other nation in history. By the whims of men and their “experts”.
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That could be said about many of them but certainly not all.
 
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Gregoryp said:
As each day passes it looks like a huge hoax. So much evidence online demonstrating that fact, way to much for me to type here, but there is no pandemic, its designed to destroy the worlds economy, so then the new world order can take over. When this started I was very suspicious. My research has proven me right
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Your research? John Hopkins University is the go-to for truth about this pandemic. I'd suggest you visit the site and not disrespect the dead and the grieving in such a ridiculous manner as this.


I'm not kidding! We need to detonate something so as to topple those bridges!
 
Whispered

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Gregoryp said:
and, Boris Johnson and some of his staff pretended to have the virus and self isolated, along with Prince Charles. By some miracle after a few days they recovered, really? Here in Australia we now have draconian laws and the military roaming the streets looking for anyone who dares go outdoors for a walk or to sit in the park , in the sunshine. Thats how bad it has got here. There is no pandemic, the flu causes more deaths than this, this is satanic.
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Put your feet where your indifference is. Walk about outside there in Australia and dare them to arrest you over what you call a hoax.
Go ahead. I dare you.
 
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EleventhHour said:
I have been posting for two weeks on the epidemiology of this virus go search and find them.

A video that gives no specifics without independent corroboration or that can be doctored is meaningless....not proof of anything.
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And so what, you've been posting for two weeks. Who are you? What makes your posting credible at all?
And it is clear that you're right on the day ready to throw flippant remarks at people when they post information or video's concerning this virus. Using your excuse about two week old information you posted somewhere, as if we're suppose to go look for it, when we don't know if you're any more credible than those you hold in contempt isn't proof of anything. Except you have no respect for people here.
 
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EleventhHour

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Whispered said:
I'd suggest you visit the site and not disrespect the dead and the grieving in such a ridiculous manner as this.
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Amen!

And also, the front line workers having to deal first hand with tragedy and hard decisions day and day out.

Justifying a heart of stone .. what could be worse.
 
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You and your supporters - the Mainstream Media - are making the claim that this coronavirus is different from ordinary viruses, and that the death rate of this virus exceeds that of the common cold and the 'flu'. As you - and they - are the ones making the claim (in order to justify the draconian enslavement the governments of the world are putting in place), the burden of proof is on you - and they - to justify this claim. To prove it. They can't (and you can't), because they've only just started intensive testing for people with coronavirus. Truth be told, many of us has probably already had it, stayed in bed for a day, and gone back to work on the morrow.

It is not our job to disprove the lies of the mainstream media, the government, and their parrots. The burden of proof lies with he who is making the claim.
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actually, it IS your job to prove what you say. otherwise you are just talking

the so called mainstream media are not posting here

however, having checked out several links from all those who believe everything is a hoax, I am not excited about where the so called proof of some is being sourced from

a site where everyone booted off of youtube posts whatever they want? really?

a site where anything goes and conspiracy theorists call home? really?

so much guff and rebuke but yet you hoaxers just have an attitude with which to defend your reasons for poo pooing everythigng

I'd be happy to listen with credible sources. not holding my breath though

and btw? questions or demands are not proof of much except to display hostility cause folks are having a disagreement here
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Gregoryp said:
and, Boris Johnson and some of his staff pretended to have the virus and self isolated, along with Prince Charles. By some miracle after a few days they recovered, really? Here in Australia we now have draconian laws and the military roaming the streets looking for anyone who dares go outdoors for a walk or to sit in the park , in the sunshine. Thats how bad it has got here. There is no pandemic, the flu causes more deaths than this, this is satanic.
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ah yes. Australia.

so that is what is bugging you? you have some laws you do not like?

the voice in your head telling you different? sorry, but that is about as polite as I will get at this point to self avowed 'empath' who speaks to a person miles away in their head and says it is a gift from God

yay for the military. it has got as bad as you say because of people who think laws are for dummies and declare they know the end is now and they have been created for this time. your words dude
 
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Brandnewday said:
And so what, you've been posting for two weeks. Who are you? What makes your posting credible at all?
And it is clear that you're right on the day ready to throw flippant remarks at people when they post information or video's concerning this virus. Using your excuse about two week old information you posted somewhere, as if we're suppose to go look for it, when we don't know if you're any more credible than those you hold in contempt isn't proof of anything. Except you have no respect for people here.
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Eleventhhour judges this above as boring?Someone who actually does know what they're talking about when making all manner of cuts on other people's perspective about this virus wouldn't do that.
And cutting the intellectual property of other peoples papers concerning virus and all manner of contagion and putting it in a post isn't proof of having an education in virology. It's proof of being a really lame thief and plagiarist.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I am never disappointed by certain types of people whose anger issues come to the surface when someone disagrees with them

staying home is not a good idea in this case. energy is diverted into anger. too bad
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
I am never disappointed by certain types of people whose anger issues come to the surface when someone disagrees with them

staying home is not a good idea in this case. energy is diverted into anger. too bad
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I am still really enjoying your avatar... it really cracks me up!!!

So perfect for these people in denial!!
 
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Brandnewday said:
Eleventhhour judges this above as boring?Someone who actually does know what they're talking about when making all manner of cuts on other people's perspective about this virus wouldn't do that.
And cutting the intellectual property of other peoples papers concerning virus and all manner of contagion and putting it in a post isn't proof of having an education in virology. It's proof of being a really lame thief and plagiarist.
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Do you think you can stay on topic and maybe find a way to prove that video should be trusted?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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EleventhHour said:
I am still really enjoying your avatar... it really cracks me up!!!

So perfect for these people in denial!!
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it's bitmoji...I'm having fun with it

I mentioned Susanna's avatar to her...said she looked like Reece Witherspoon and she mentioned bitmoji along the way

so I trotted on over there and made my own avatar that kinda looks like me and then they have all these stickers you can use with your personal avatar

I think your avatar is from a similar type of site? or is it bitmoji?

anyway, I can have a little fun along the way I guess
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
it's bitmoji...I'm having fun with it

I mentioned Susanna's avatar to her...said she looked like Reece Witherspoon and she mentioned bitmoji along the way

so I trotted on over there and made my own avatar that kinda looks like me and then they have all these stickers you can use with your personal avatar

I think your avatar is from a similar type of site? or is it bitmoji?

anyway, I can have a little fun along the way I guess
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No just a free website where you can create avatars.

I have bitmoji on my phone and use there a lot.... silly me never thought to load onto my computer.

Well I am just gonna have ta get right on that!!!
 
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7seasrekeyed

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EleventhHour said:
No just a free website where you can create avatars.

I have bitmoji on my phone and use there a lot.... silly me never thought to load onto my computer.

Well I am just gonna have ta get right on that!!!
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yup...now that you have a little time ;)
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
I am never disappointed by certain types of people whose anger issues come to the surface when someone disagrees with them

staying home is not a good idea in this case. energy is diverted into anger. too bad
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Right. Do you speak condescendingly to people all the time? Or just to those who respond to people you approve being angry on their own part?
You all have years of time spent here. And as I recall you're not even a citizen of America but have a lot to say about the place.
Maybe you don't like it when people step up and respond in kind to the angry people you approve.

That's the typical bully stance. They always travel in packs.
 
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