Your Imput: No Man Knoweth The Day Or Hour
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As I say before they explain themselves within the area where you have taken the verse from:
Mt 24:34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.Mt 24:35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.Mt 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.Mt 24:37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mt 24:38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,Mt 24:39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mt 24:40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Mt 24:41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Mt 24:42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Ac 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Ac 2:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Ac 2:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Mt 24:34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.Mt 24:35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.Mt 24:36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.Mt 24:37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mt 24:38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,Mt 24:39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mt 24:40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Mt 24:41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.Mt 24:42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Ac 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Ac 2:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Ac 2:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
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Jesus is not giving us a checklist of things to watch out for so that we will know the time of the Second Coming. He warns us that no one knows the hour of that coming, not even the Son!
Jesus is not teaching us look for calamity. He is teaching us to read the signs of the times in the context of the Gospel.
Jesus is not teaching us look for calamity. He is teaching us to read the signs of the times in the context of the Gospel.
Watchmen, you referred to that day in (Mt 24) coming (post trib), pointing to that day coming after the tribulation period. Are you referring to Christ coming back for the church (all believers) after the tribulation? If that is true, then the church of all believers living, will have to live through the tribulation period.
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Mat 24:36 "No one knows, however, when that day and hour will come---neither the angels in heaven nor the Son; the Father alone knows.
Mat 24:37 The coming of the Son of Man will be like what happened in the time of Noah.
I think it is speaking of the final great day when Christ returns,
gathering of believers and unbelievers, and the burning up of the old heaven's and earth.
2Pe 3:12 looking for and rushing the coming of the Day of God, on account of which the heavens, being on fire, will melt away, and the elements will melt, burning with heat?
Otherwise known as the Day of judgement:
2Pe 3:7 But the present heavens and the earth being kept in store by the same Word, are being kept for fire until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
For God's people it will be the return of their King.
For God's enemies, it will be their destruction.
This must be post-tribulation. Now, whether or not the church is on earth when this happens (post trib)or whether or not the church has been raptured (pre-trib)... I believe the church is on earth when this happens. I believe in post-trib rapture.
This is because Jesus's words about knowing the times, and being ready, are spoken to His followers... "you also be ready"..
If the church was already raptured, there would be no need for it to be ready.
Mat 24:44 Therefore you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes.
Mat 24:36 "No one knows, however, when that day and hour will come---neither the angels in heaven nor the Son; the Father alone knows.
Mat 24:37 The coming of the Son of Man will be like what happened in the time of Noah.
I think it is speaking of the final great day when Christ returns,
gathering of believers and unbelievers, and the burning up of the old heaven's and earth.
2Pe 3:12 looking for and rushing the coming of the Day of God, on account of which the heavens, being on fire, will melt away, and the elements will melt, burning with heat?
Otherwise known as the Day of judgement:
2Pe 3:7 But the present heavens and the earth being kept in store by the same Word, are being kept for fire until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
For God's people it will be the return of their King.
For God's enemies, it will be their destruction.
This must be post-tribulation. Now, whether or not the church is on earth when this happens (post trib)or whether or not the church has been raptured (pre-trib)... I believe the church is on earth when this happens. I believe in post-trib rapture.
This is because Jesus's words about knowing the times, and being ready, are spoken to His followers... "you also be ready"..
If the church was already raptured, there would be no need for it to be ready.
Mat 24:44 Therefore you also be ready, for in that hour you think not, the Son of Man comes.
And if the church had already been raptured previously, there would be no need for the church to be on watch for when their Lord comes:
Mat 24:42 Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
Further proof that this is post tribulation events, not pre, or mid (in bold):
Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
Mat 24:42 Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
Further proof that this is post tribulation events, not pre, or mid (in bold):
Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
I did some reading of Clarence Larkin, who also has some interesting charts, and he explains along with some others, that there are two parts of the second coming of Christ. The first time Christ came, He was born of the virgin Mary. After His death and resurrection, He acsended into heaven to be at the right hand of the Father. From that position he gives every believer the gift of the Holy Spirit that makes up the church here on earth. Then it is explained that Christ will come back a second time (for His own) to gather His church, those that are alive and those that are dead in Christ, who will be caught up together and not have to face the wrath of the tribulation period. Then after (or post) the tribulation, Christ will come back (with His own) to end the tribulation period and set up the kingdom of Christ on the earth.
I can see how people can be confused, if there is only one part of the second coming. But with two parts, one before the tribulation period and one after, then it makes better sense.
I can see how people can be confused, if there is only one part of the second coming. But with two parts, one before the tribulation period and one after, then it makes better sense.
Actually Jesus is doing both.
#1 He is giving a check list so that we will know the time of His return, and #2 He is telling us we do not know the very day or very hour. However we should know the season.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
#1 He is giving a check list so that we will know the time of His return, and #2 He is telling us we do not know the very day or very hour. However we should know the season.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
If I read Matthew 24 from begining to end I get no indication out of it that Jesus said he was coming back twice. Or, by his teaching to the disciples to keep watch, and etc, that he ever thought the disciples would be raptured before all this took place. Hence his warnings about false messiahs, keeping watch, being faithful, knowing the times, yet no one really knows the day or hour, not even the disciples. It will be as in the days of Noah, Noah was still on the earth and had to live through the flood.
Some people are slow learners, some have mental handicap and don't understand or learn like everyone else. Of all people Christians, and pastors/preachers whatever you want to call them, teachers, all of us need to remember show them love, kindness, patients, compassion, and understanding. There's no need to be rude and harsh and tell them ''it explains itself". Show them the love of Jesus and take time to explain things to them. Rude and harsh, judgmental Christians is what turns others away from the LORD. I personally don't post questions on here anymore, for the very reason of what happened here. The rude remarkes/responses that are given. I just ask God, or my grandparents, or someone I KNOW will answer me out of love and everything. BLC, I'm sorry for the way some have treated you, if you need someone to talk with or ask things, I'm here. I may not know the answer, but I'll try and find it for you. God bless!
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