How many sins does it take for a christian to become aa sinner? John 9:31 Now we know that God hearth not sinners.

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Brandnewday said:
Something that started me to doubt my choice of faith years ago was when I happened on that verse that says, We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

So much for the veracity of the so called sinners prayer. When God doesn't listen to sinners how does a sinner pray and repent and accept Jesus?
Way too many contradictions to have it consistently make sense and lay claim to being the inspired word of a perfect God. I came to believe man made God in his image and likeness when he wrote a bible and gave a supreme being an anthropomorphic personality. A human personality.
This is why I've said, I can believe in God and not believe in the bible. In fact, I'd wonder if God believes in the bible or approves what is there and attributed to his spirit. Especially when it says of him, he doesn't listen to sinners.
Well, so much for coming to God in prayer and asking forgiveness.
That's why the verse never made sense in light of what the gospel is suppose to mean.
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Well, there is much misunderstanding here so I'll keep simple. The sinners prayer is a man made concept. No where in the Bible is the idea found.
As for doing God's will, what is his will? That we believe in Jesus, and repent of our sins.
What makes a person saved? That they believe in Jesus. Not some prayer of acceptance. Believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth. Confess what? That Jesus is Lord. Now that there is belief, repentance begins and sanctification, and this is God's will. Anyone who does this is doing his will and their prayers are heard.
So you choose to disregard the Bible because what man teaches that isn't in the Bible. Because the sinners prayer contradicts a passage in the Bible. So you choose the man made idea over the Bible and then say the Bible is the man made idea. This sounds a bit illogical.
 
NOV25 said:
I was conceived in iniquity, brought forth a sinner from my mother’s womb.
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If you follow Romans 5:12-14, and take it in the real world, we even see infants dying from all kinds of diseases even before they could commit one sin.

They died because all of them are born with Adam's sin of disobedience.
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Well, there is much misunderstanding here so I'll keep simple. The sinners prayer is a man made concept. No where in the Bible is the idea found.
As for doing God's will, what is his will? That we believe in Jesus, and repent of our sins.
What makes a person saved? That they believe in Jesus. Not some prayer of acceptance. Believe in your heart, and confess with your mouth. Confess what? That Jesus is Lord. Now that there is belief, repentance begins and sanctification, and this is God's will. Anyone who does this is doing his will and their prayers are heard.
So you choose to disregard the Bible because what man teaches that isn't in the Bible. Because the sinners prayer contradicts a passage in the Bible. So you choose the man made idea over the Bible and then say the Bible is the man made idea. This sounds a bit illogical.
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Probably sounds illogical because you're not actually reading what I've said.
I never said there was a sinners prayer in the bible. That's for one.
The rest just tries to obscure what I did say with self-righteous judgment that isn't even on target with what I have been saying.
 
It's so strange to me that so many seem to think that God's justice is so warped from anything we would normally call justice as to reward a petty thief with the same sentence as a murderer. Any human judge who did so would, rightfully, be called unjust either for punishing the theft too harshly or the murder to lightly. We will each be rewarded according to our deeds done in the body. The question is whether we recognize righteousness when we see it and respond appropriately or if we follow the desires of our own wicked hearts.
 
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