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Strong's #859: aphesis (pronounced af'-es-is)
from 863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon:--deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
aphesis
1) release from bondage or imprisonment
2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
Part of Speech: noun feminine
from 863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon:--deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
aphesis
1) release from bondage or imprisonment
2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
Part of Speech: noun feminine
We already discussed this. - https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-6465#post-4178082
Eternal life doesn't mean you will possess it forever.
If I gave you a flashlight that will shine forever does forever mean you will always possess it?
No, of course not.
Hebrews explains how eternal life means the life you partake of through Christ never ends, unlike the life that the old covenant gave.
It does not say eternal life means you can't lose it.
If I gave you a flashlight that will shine forever does forever mean you will always possess it?
No, of course not.
Hebrews explains how eternal life means the life you partake of through Christ never ends, unlike the life that the old covenant gave.
It does not say eternal life means you can't lose it.
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So "eternal" life means "temporary" life? 
If you can lose eternal life, then it was never eternal. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door.
If you can lose eternal life, then it was never eternal. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door.
You are making the mistake of saying your possession of Christ's life is what is eternal.
But it is Christ's life that is eternal, not your possession of it (in this life).
This is all explained in Hebrews.
If the believer stops believing, Christ's eternal life will go on and on and on without you.
Eternal life does not mean you will always have it (in this life) and can't lose it.
That's right.
Once he turns you over to your choice to go back to unbelief you are not allowed to come back.
My doctrine adds up just fine. You just remain naive to the fact that it's not hard to make believers mixed in with genuine believers in just about any group of "professing" believers. We saw this with Judas Iscariot and the 11 remaining disciples in John 15, yet the faith of Judas was spurious and he was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus. (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11)
We also see this in 1 John 2:19, in which we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Did you see that? 1 John 2 is addressed to "My little children" (believers) but as you can see, not everyone in this group is a genuine believer. You can also see that IF THEY HAD BEEN OF US, THEY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED WITH US.
We also see this in 1 John 2:19, in which we read - They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Did you see that? 1 John 2 is addressed to "My little children" (believers) but as you can see, not everyone in this group is a genuine believer. You can also see that IF THEY HAD BEEN OF US, THEY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED WITH US.
Amen!
John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. So much for temporary possession of eternal life.
I've already heard your biased explanations on Hebrews numerous times. Not convinced.
Yet genuine believers do not stop believing. Those who stop believing had a shallow, temporary belief that had no root.
Then it's not eternal. Your obsession with losing eternal life is nauseating.
Genuine believers don't go back to unbelief.
John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. So much for temporary possession of eternal life.
I've already heard your biased explanations on Hebrews numerous times. Not convinced.
Yet genuine believers do not stop believing. Those who stop believing had a shallow, temporary belief that had no root.
Then it's not eternal. Your obsession with losing eternal life is nauseating.
Genuine believers don't go back to unbelief.
17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect." - Galatians 3:17
You say the law does disannul the Covenant of promise and that the Jews are not under that covenant and that justification for them is through works, not through faith as it is in the Covenant of promise made before the law was given.
You say the law does disannul the Covenant of promise and that the Jews are not under that covenant and that justification for them is through works, not through faith as it is in the Covenant of promise made before the law was given.
Sorry I misunderstood you. It really sounded like you were refering to us here. We often get rude remarks.
Well, literally nobody on the forum believes or promotes what you just said so no much use focusing on that on this thread because it turns into a strawman discussion that just annoys all participants... a saved person is not going to stop believing.
Well, literally nobody on the forum believes or promotes what you just said so no much use focusing on that on this thread because it turns into a strawman discussion that just annoys all participants... a saved person is not going to stop believing.