I have chosen to be perfect, which is why I have chosen to obey the voice of my Shepherd.
Doctrines like Limited Atonement - why?
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I have chosen to be perfect, which is why I have chosen to obey the voice of my Shepherd.
New birth needs no persuasion. You cannot cause yourself to be born, or born again.
Okay then lets just take the word "metanoia" out of the bible
Continue on people... obviously I am not able to persuade otherwise... this is not unusual when one has cannot step outside of one's "belief system" to give it a careful reexamination.
If you were perfect, you wouldn't need Jesus, you would be him. But you think you can choose perfection?
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I am not sure the Greeks used the modifier of "Libertine" in front... but I will check it out.
We have a will....how free it is, is complicated and varies from individual to individual.
I do not see "total inability" as biblical either
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EleventhHour
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Oh but we are persuaded it is true, just like many in the scriptures.. that is a passive response to truth.
God indeed regenerates... never stated otherwise
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EleventhHour
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I know this is what you believe... I do not, I was not born again first I was persuaded first and then born again, I remember plain as day and if it was yesterday.
While subjective yes, I think scripture makes this also an objective truth... "metanoia" is very significant word in the new testament.
Good day sir.. I have left my Calvinists leanings behind I cannot go back.
Ah alright, I'm not sure if the Greeks spoke of it as libertine but that's usually the philosophical concept, just as the Bible never uses certain terms yet we recognize them through theological names.
The whole of Calvins soteriology hinges on total inability. Those who accept that one tenet, which is based on a misread of Romans 5 that many can't see past, and then reading that back into other verses that has come to be to be the lynchpin. If it's accepted, all of the 5-points become both logically and Biblically necessary.
It's worse than twisting scripture. Universal Atonement denies the power of Christ's blood to save people. And turns salvation into a system of works for the self-righteous to save themselves. It also turns God into a bully who threatens to torture those who do not say "uncle", or who refuse to sell themselves to him in trade for eternal pleasure.
This is not the God of the bible who saves those who cannot save themselves at his own expense on the cross.
No, I've chosen the path of perfection. He will complete the perfect work He began in me. Not in my own strength, nor am I perfect in the present moment but it is my will to be perfect. Accomplishing that will and desiring it are not the same thing.
Perfection is in the eyes of the beholder.
Conservatives see perfection as the right to openly worship God. Liberals see perfection as God being removed from the social conscience.
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EleventhHour
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And "metanoia" I think absolutely shatters total inability.. the entire Gospel of John works against this concept as well.
I absolutely agree!!!
Depends on how you mean that. I can freely walk away if I choose, though He would pursue me if I did. If you mean I cannot choose everything I desire, then no my will is not free.